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I just came away from listening to Suede's Dog Man Star and the closing track - the stirring and absurdly lavish "Still Life" - has left me shaken. Actually shaken.

Best. Ending. Ever. To anything. And as far as the album as a whole goes, it's a classic in every sense. "The Asphalt world" is a lingering and almost torturous piece of music, kind of bubbling under like it's about to explode or something; "New Generation" is still an anthem and a half and "The Wild Ones" is just plain fucking heartbreaking. It's all killer on this album - not a dud amongst them.

It's hard to fathom but seriously - where the hell is this decades Dog Man Star? I mean, if you're talking lyrically, The Streets is the only thing to really match Brett Anderson's imaginative and borderline-decadent brain-fruits and even then...

Even musically, there's nothing that really broaches the territory of Dog Man Star - ironically enough, not even the reconciled Anderson and Butler (aka The Tears) can manage it.

This is one of my favourite albums ever. I don't often post in this folder but I genuinely forgot how great Suede were in their prime.

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Even musically, there's nothing that really broaches the territory of Dog Man Star - ironically enough, not even the reconciled Anderson and Butler (aka The Tears) can manage it.

The Tears album is my biggest letdown of the year. Brett's lyrics have always been hit and miss, but there's no excuse for some of the lines on that album at his age. It all sounds like Suede for dummies. Yes, even more so than the last two Suede albums.

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I personally think that Suede peaked on the Stay Together EP.

Still, it's a pretty good record though, but I don't know about record of the 90s. For me, the album peaks at New Generation and it doesn't really recover after that. There's a good three or four songs towards the end of the record that sound exactly the same.

Oh, and The Power is a terrible song.

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I just came away from listening to Suede's Dog Man Star and the closing track - the stirring and absurdly lavish "Still Life" - has left me shaken. Actually shaken.

Best. Ending. Ever. To anything. And as far as the album as a whole goes, it's a classic in every sense. "The Asphalt world" is a lingering and almost torturous piece of music, kind of bubbling under like it's about to explode or something; "New Generation" is still an anthem and a half and "The Wild Ones" is just plain fucking heartbreaking. It's all killer on this album - not a dud amongst them.

It's hard to fathom but seriously - where the hell is this decades Dog Man Star? I mean, if you're talking lyrically, The Streets is the only thing to really match Brett Anderson's imaginative and borderline-decadent brain-fruits and even then...

Even musically, there's nothing that really broaches the territory of Dog Man Star - ironically enough, not even the reconciled Anderson and Butler (aka The Tears) can manage it.

This is one of my favourite albums ever. I don't often post in this folder but I genuinely forgot how great Suede were in their prime.

Yes.

(I'd have written more but your post made me dig it out again and I've lost all ability to write anything more because it's so bloody overpowering.)

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Black Or Blue's a bit shit.

Heathen! Black and Blue is great.

My favourite album ever. A masterpeice in every way.

The biggest crime is that it only reached number 3 in the album charts (Oasis were number 1 at the time).

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Is Stay TOgether on Dog Man Star? I need to download this album, haven't listened to it in years.

This or Pulp's Different CLass for best 90s indie album.

His And Hers was better, stat.

DMS is one of my all time fave's though. If only I had as much time to listen to music now as I did then.

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No. IIRC it's not on any of the albums.

Its a shame as it would have fitted perfectly.Especially the long version

Asphalt World is one of my favourite tunes ever and I really need to dig out my copy of this album and play it again.

Pisses over their debut from avery great height.

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This paragraph is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Seriously. What? WHAT?

Not only are you implying Brett Anderson and Suede are the pinnacle of 90's music and lyrics... but then you state that the only thing that comes close to matching them this decade is The Streets?

:)

Then don't begin dear - it's an opinion.

:D

EDIT: To elaborate on my opinion - I think Anderson has a fantastic ability to tell a story with his lyrics and present a pretty bleak and decadent outlook on life. Skinner is similarly gifted, though less articulate and more mouthy (which is well in keeping with the beats accompanying his words).

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I just came away from listening to Suede's Dog Man Star and the closing track - the stirring and absurdly lavish "Still Life" - has left me shaken. Actually shaken.

Best. Ending. Ever. To anything. And as far as the album as a whole goes, it's a classic in every sense. "The Asphalt world" is a lingering and almost torturous piece of music, kind of bubbling under like it's about to explode or something; "New Generation" is still an anthem and a half and "The Wild Ones" is just plain fucking heartbreaking. It's all killer on this album - not a dud amongst them.

It's hard to fathom but seriously - where the hell is this decades Dog Man Star? I mean, if you're talking lyrically, The Streets is the only thing to really match Brett Anderson's imaginative and borderline-decadent brain-fruits and even then...

Even musically, there's nothing that really broaches the territory of Dog Man Star - ironically enough, not even the reconciled Anderson and Butler (aka The Tears) can manage it.

This is one of my favourite albums ever. I don't often post in this folder but I genuinely forgot how great Suede were in their prime.

Most correct post ever!

Suede are one of my favourite bands, I just adore them. I was absolutely distraught when I missed out on tickets for the last tour they did, not realising at the time it was pretty much their farewell tour. :)

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Wasn't Brett Anderson writing stuff with Bernard Butler again recently?

Sure I heard something about it but I don't read the NME any more and I mainly listen to Radio 2 now so I might have missed it if its already happened.

Yeah, back together as The Tears. I haven't got around to buying the album yet but i've heard it's nowhere near as good as the Anderson/Butler glory days unfortunately. Doesn't mean it's bad, just not as good as they used to be.

I really must buy it.

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Aside from the nagging feeling you might be misapplying the word "decadent", ;) it sounds like you'd really love a band called The Decemberists.

Umm.. Brett Anderson is decadence personified - are you thinking of a different band?

Thanks Preacher for making me dig this out (i.e. download) again - much enjoyed listening to it yesterday.

Bleak and decadent:

Heroine

She walks in beauty like the night

Discarding her clothes in the plastic flowers

Pornographic and tragic in black and white

My Marilyn come to my slum for an hour

I'm aching to see my heroine

I'm aching been dying for hours and hours

She walks in the beauty of a magazine

Complicating the boys in the office towers

Rafaella or Della the silent dream

My Marilyn come to my slum for an hour

I'm aching to see my heroine

I'm aching been dying for hours and hours,

been dying for hours and hours

She walks in beauty like the night

Hypnotising the silence with her powers

Armageddon is bedding this picture alright

My Marilyn come to slum for an hour

I'm aching to see my heroine

Aching, been dying for hours and hours

I'm 18, I need my heroines

Aching, been dying for hours

Oh and I'm never alone now

Now I'm with her

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The album is full of lyrical greatness.

The Asphalt World:

I know a girl she walks the asphalt world

She comes to me and I supply her with Ecstasy

Sometimes we ride in a taxi to the ends of the city

Like big stars in the back seat like skeletons ever so pretty

I know a girl she walks the asphalt world

But where does she go?

And what does she do?

And how does she feel when she's next to you?

And who does she love in time-honoured fur?

Is it me or her?

I know a girl she walks the asphalt world

She's got a friend, they share mascara I pretend

Sometimes they fly from the covers to the winter of the river

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For these silent stars of the cinema

It's in the blood stream, it's in the liver

I know a girl, she walks the arse felt world

But where does she go?

And what does she do?

And how does she feel when she's next to you?

And who does she love in time-honoured fur?

Is it me or is it her?

With ice in her blood

And a Dove in her head

Well how does she feel when she's in your bed?

When you're there in her arms

And there in her legs

Well I'll be in her head

Cos that's where I go

And that's what I do

And that's how it feels when the sex turns cruel

Yes both of us need her, this is the asphalt world

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Well I apologise. I've come cross as a prick again haven't I?

Check out Picaresque by The Decemberists if you get the chance. :)

Not at all - if you're not familiar with Suede to the extent their adoring fans are, it's likely you'd never associate the word "decadent" with them.

And sir, I shall give that album a pop come pay day. ;)

Umm.. Brett Anderson is decadence personified - are you thinking of a different band?

Thanks Preacher for making me dig this out (i.e. download) again - much enjoyed listening to it yesterday.

he really rather is and reading through the lyrics you posted, it's not hard to see why - especially when you can associate them with the guitar genius of Butler. It really is amazing.

Most correct post ever!

Suede are one of my favourite bands, I just adore them. I was absolutely distraught when I missed out on tickets for the last tour they did, not realising at the time it was pretty much their farewell tour. :)

I know :(

BUT

It's not the end-end, not if Anderson is to be believed - from what he said, I gather it's a temporary split. Besides, I'm much more annoyed at never seeing them in their prime, complete with Butler and his crazy stage antics back in the Suede/DogManStar days.

Which brings me to a good question actually - has anyone been to any of their gigs? At the young ol' age of 22, I was a bit too late to the party and it's thanks to my big brother that I got into them in the first place.

But I wouldn't mind hearing what they were like!

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Which brings me to a good question actually - has anyone been to any of their gigs? At the young ol' age of 22, I was a bit too late to the party and it's thanks to my big brother that I got into them in the first place.

But I wouldn't mind hearing what they were like!

I've seen them a couple of times. Best gig was the Dog Man Star night at the ICA in London. They played the whole of Dog Man Star plus loads of the b-sides from that period.

Best £15 I ever spent.

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Which brings me to a good question actually - has anyone been to any of their gigs? At the young ol' age of 22, I was a bit too late to the party and it's thanks to my big brother that I got into them in the first place.

But I wouldn't mind hearing what they were like!

Three times for me, starting off with the DMS tour when I was about 18. Unfortunately, Butler had left by then...but I didn't care - it still goes down as one of the most amazing live shows I've ever seen and is permanently burned in my memory.

As the years went on they struggled to recreate that magic, both on CD and live...but it's impossible to be too hard on them given the output of their early work.

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What's next?

Best girl group in history between Lush, Echobelly and Sleeper?

:)

Suede were good, but I wouldn't neccessarily rate DMS as above and beyond plenty of other albums...Pulp, Blur, The Stone Roses etc...

And what about Eels?

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It's not the end-end, not if Anderson is to be believed - from what he said, I gather it's a temporary split. Besides, I'm much more annoyed at never seeing them in their prime, complete with Butler and his crazy stage antics back in the Suede/DogManStar days.

Which brings me to a good question actually - has anyone been to any of their gigs? At the young ol' age of 22, I was a bit too late to the party and it's thanks to my big brother that I got into them in the first place.

Ah, it's time for me to step up to the plate...

I was obsessed with Suede as a teenager and saw them loads of times. Probably the best one was when we saw them in Cambridge which (if I remember correctly) was the same day Animal Nitrate went into the top 10.

Another time at the Brixton Academy on the tour for the first album I spent hours crushed at the front of the stage and was rewarded by Brett shaking my hand when he was doing his Morrissey-esque thing of getting the fans to rip at his shirt.

Bernard was always great live, but never said a word and often looked quite glum, even as he was swaying about.

I was devastated when they split up. I always think you get one band as a teenager that you invest everything in and for me (for better or worse) it was Suede.

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Ah, it's time for me to step up to the plate...

I was obsessed with Suede as a teenager and saw them loads of times. Probably the best one was when we saw them in Cambridge which (if I remember correctly) was the same day Animal Nitrate went into the top 10.

Another time at the Brixton Academy on the tour for the first album I spent hours crushed at the front of the stage and was rewarded by Brett shaking my hand when he was doing his Morrisey-esque thing of getting the fans to rip at his shirt.

Bernard was always great live, but never said a word and often looked quite glum, even as he was swaying about.

I was devastated when they split up. I always think you get one band as a teenager that you invest everything in and for me (for better or worse) it was Suede.

Me too! :)

I've seen them about 5 times and they were amazing every time.

I was so upset when I heard they'd quit. I read about the temporary split and I don't believe it. Well, when they run out of cash they'll do a reunion. Lets hope they like to spend lots.

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I've seen them a couple of times. Best gig was the Dog Man Star night at the ICA in London. They played the whole of Dog Man Star plus loads of the b-sides from that period.

Best £15 I ever spent.

Sci Fi Lullabies is the best B-Side collection of the past twenty years "To the birds" and "Darkstar" stand out as favourites.

Three times for me, starting off with the DMS tour when I was about 18. Unfortunately, Butler had left by then...but I didn't care - it still goes down as one of the most amazing live shows I've ever seen and is permanently burned in my memory.

As the years went on they struggled to recreate that magic, both on CD and live...but it's impossible to be too hard on them given the output of their early work.

Richard Oakes was a worthy replacement and though things changed I never saw it as being completely negative. I still love Coming Up even if it wasn't as brooding as DMS.

Ah, it's time for me to step up to the plate...

I was obsessed with Suede as a teenager and saw them loads of times. Probably the best one was when we saw them in Cambridge which (if I remember correctly) was the same day Animal Nitrate went into the top 10.

I was devastated when they split up. I always think you get one band as a teenager that you invest everything in and for me (for better or worse) it was Suede.

So obsessed was I that I died my hair black and endeavoured to BE Bret Anderson as a kid. Ah, to be 16 again!

Me too! :)

I've seen them about 5 times and they were amazing every time.

I was so upset when I heard they'd quit. I read about the temporary split and I don't believe it. Well, when they run out of cash they'll do a reunion. Lets hope they like to spend lots.

I never heard a new morning in its entirety - was it any good? I quite liked "Attitude" but besides that the rest of what I heard kinda just went over my head.

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Which brings me to a good question actually - has anyone been to any of their gigs?

Yeah. Most memorably, when I was working as a science teacher after I left college.

Had a great night. And then I found out that half of my form had been at the gig. "We were behind you all night, sir." they rejoiced the next day, "We saw you dancing.".

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Ah, it's time for me to step up to the plate...

I was obsessed with Suede as a teenager and saw them loads of times. Probably the best one was when we saw them in Cambridge which (if I remember correctly) was the same day Animal Nitrate went into the top 10.

Another time at the Brixton Academy on the tour for the first album I spent hours crushed at the front of the stage and was rewarded by Brett shaking my hand when he was doing his Morrissey-esque thing of getting the fans to rip at his shirt.

Bernard was always great live, but never said a word and often looked quite glum, even as he was swaying about.

I was devastated when they split up. I always think you get one band as a teenager that you invest everything in and for me (for better or worse) it was Suede.

Saw them 6 or 7 times, I think - including 3 times in a week (Hull, Sheffield, Glasgow) on the Dogmanstar tour, and on the first album tour... not to mention a *very* dirty weekend with my then-girlfriend to Blackpool when they played the Empress Ballroom sometime around '95 or '96.

Probably the band who have meant more to me than any other, ever. I've mentally deleted 'Head Music' and 'A New Morning' from existence - and 'Coming Up' only just passes muster - but the first two records are just about the most incredible collections I've heard made in my 'musically-aware' lifetime. It's not totally unrealistic (vaguely melodramatic, perhaps!) to say that they Changed My Life.

Any comparisons to Pulp or Blur or Oasis or whoever are utterly laughable.

It's rather a shame they went so badly downhill. Richard Oakes, despite being a competent guitarist, was a clown and was never likely to fill Butler's role; he was just a kid, and he didn't get any better as the albums passed. I didn't see them on the 'farewell' tour but caught them when they were pimping 'A New Morning' and they were really, *really* poor. Brett attempted an acoustic rendition of 'My Dark Star' and - I swear to God - he mimed the guitar part. I nearly got battered by diehards outside the show afterwards for my (possibly!) overloud bile-spitting tirade on the way back to the tube station. I was angry, and absolutely heart-broken.

I've given the Tears album the aural once-over and it's pretty sucky.

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Yeah. Most memorably, when I was working as a science teacher after I left college.

Had a great night. And then I found out that half of my form had been at the gig. "We were behind you all night, sir." they rejoiced the next day, "We saw you dancing.".

;)

Poor sod - I bet they did the graham S dance for weeks afterwards!

My mate was backstage at many of their gigs. I guess it's not exciting gossip any more to reveal that Brett was completely out of it on drugs for most of that period, eh?

I don't think he got clean till Head Music actually.

Saw them 6 or 7 times, I think - including 3 times in a week (Hull, Sheffield, Glasgow) on the Dogmanstar tour, and on the first album tour... not to mention a *very* dirty weekend with my then-girlfriend to Blackpool when they played the Empress Ballroom sometime around '95 or '96.

The makings of a classic Suede song methinks :o

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