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Dude Ranch

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Those rules are all fictional. They're never happening.

I can't see it having a massive impact either. I would love it to happen though and not only cos I think it would benefit us. It's gotten a bit stupid recently, any remaining semblance of competitive sport has been sucked out of football for me. I'm half wishing we'd play the game to some extent and I think Arsenal do need to look at the way things have gone but literally buying a whole team based on insultingly high and inflated transfer fees and wages and pricing everyone else waaay out of the market is wrong. But there you go, we've always had the haves and have nots.

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Art Vandelay

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I'm surprised we've decided to place so much stock in the financial fairplay regulations. I think everyone knows that 'last laugh' scenario our hopes are pinned on is never going to happen and the inevitability of all but the filthiest of the rich spiraling into mediocrity is clear for all to see.

I'd suggest Kroenke must know this and be aware that unless he releases cash soon then his lovely new investment is going to start accruing some rather unsightly shit stains. After all, the only reason we're actually profitable is because we sell all our best players, don't pay people that much and still qualify for the champions league. I don't think it would take a professor to work out that one or more of those things is going to need to change before long.

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But we do pay our players that much. Our wage bill is one of the highest in the league. The actual problem is how it is distributed. If the current figures being bandied about are correct, that we are paying RvP only 10 grand a week more than denilson and diaby is insane.

Arteta took a pay cut to join the club. Everton don't even have any money and they pay more than us! He probably thought he was joining a big club.

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The fact that Diaby gets £60,000 a week (while Modric is apparently still on £40,000) and RvP gets £70k with two years left sums up everything that is currently wrong with Arsenal. Rewarding mediocrity, while your best players contracts tick down. More for the best players, less of the middling crap getting payed way too much please. I know it's part of the gamble with signing young players, they need big contracts if they are to re-sign. But who thought Diaby was worth £60k a week? I don't mean to pick on him, after his horrendous injury he just seems to have fallen apart but this is probably his second contract at the club, who thought this was value for money?

What makes it even worse (and I know financially English clubs are quite far ahead of non-Bayern German teams) Goetze is apparently on just £15k a week.

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The fact that Diaby gets £60,000 a week (while Modric is apparently still on £40,000) and RvP gets £70k with two years left sums up everything that is currently wrong with Arsenal. Rewarding mediocrity, while your best players contracts tick down. More for the best players, less of the middling crap getting payed way too much please. I know it's part of the gamble with signing young players, they need big contracts if they are to re-sign. But who thought Diaby was worth £60k a week? I don't mean to pick on him, after his horrendous injury he just seems to have fallen apart but this is probably his second contract at the club, who thought this was value for money?

What makes it even worse (and I know financially English clubs are quite far ahead of non-Bayern German teams) Goetze is apparently on just £15k a week.

They have the contracts of players that win leagues & champions league titles for fun. Our players are grossly over-rewarded for achieving nothing. Instead of rewarding wasters like Denilson, Diaby & Traore with £60k a week deals, that money could have been spent securing the future of Nasri & RvP ages ago.

Did you know that during the summer of 2010 Arsenal had agreed a deal with Benfica for Traore, but the deal fell through because he refused to drop his wage demands? He ended up getting loaned out to Juventus as a squad player. The fact that a player like him turned down regular first team football at Benfica is amazing. It shows that players are Arsenal are given disgustingly inappropriate contracts at such a young age for achieving next to nothing.

I don't have a problem with RvP getting a contract at £125k a week because he's the best player at the club & a proven international who is about to hit his peak. I wouldn't have a problem with Szczesny getting a lucrative contract either because he's going to be a very good keeper and it's only a matter of time until he gets tapped up. He needs to be locked into a long term deal.

Vermaelen is going to want big money and Arsenal either have the choice of giving in to his demands or letting him walk for nothing and then spending millions on a replacement.

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They have the contracts of players that win leagues & champions league titles for fun. Our players are grossly over-rewarded for achieving nothing. Instead of rewarding wasters like Denilson, Diaby & Traore with £60k a week deals, that money could have been spent securing the future of Nasri & RvP ages ago.

Did you know that during the summer of 2010 Arsenal had agreed a deal with Benfica for Traore, but the deal fell through because he refused to drop his wage demands? He ended up getting loaned out to Juventus as a squad player. The fact that a player like him turned down regular first team football at Benfica is amazing. It shows that players are Arsenal are given disgustingly inappropriate contracts at such a young age for achieving next to nothing.

Now, I'm no happier about it than you, but, just to play devil's advocate - what if Diaby had fulfilled his obvious potential? What if Denilson had lived up to his early promise (where he looked like the second coming of Fabregas in some of his early appearances)? Then we'd have been wanting to know why they were allowed to/felt the need to pull a Flamini and leave on a free having been underpaid, no? This all ties back into Wenger's near-unshakeable faith in his players, and isn't really hard to understand (even if you (and I) don't agree with it.)

I wouldn't have a problem with Szczesny getting a lucrative contract either because he's going to be a very good keeper and it's only a matter of time until he gets tapped up. He needs to be locked into a long term deal.

Again - I love Woj, I think he's brilliant, but if we did sign him up on a lucrative contract and then have him gradually turn into a scapegoat like our other keepers (most liked Almunia initially, and Fabianski showed promise too (in fact, I still haven't completely given up on him, and really don't mind having him as a backup)) then we'll end up with the same opinion of that contract as we do of the Denilson/Diaby ones.

Basically - damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only real issue I have with all of this is that of our wage cap, as that's what prevents us from retaining many of our better players. What the two D's are on is irrelevant, as paying them half as much wouldn't have affected what we paid Nasri, Cesc and RvP in the slightest.

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Why the fuck didn't Wenger check the future before Arsenal's entirely separate team of contract negotiators offered contracts. Why didn't he forsee that of the two 24 year old French midfielders who, despite abundant potential, had only shown flashes of brilliance between injury layoffs that only one would have a good six months last season while the other would continue to struggle with his injury.

I hope grave robbers rape his dead mouth.

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Why the fuck didn't Wenger check the future before Arsenal's entirely separate team of contract negotiators offered contracts. Why didn't he forsee that of the two 24 year old French midfielders who, despite abundant potential, had only shown flashes of brilliance between injury layoffs that only one would have a good six months last season while the other would continue to struggle with his injury.

I hope grave robbers rape his dead mouth.

Not sure who that is aimed at but nobody really blamed Wenger. And if you are comparing Nasri with Diaby then I think all I can say in response to that is

:facepalm:

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Just bad luck isn't it. There's no way it could be more than coincidence that our players drop like flies every season. :facepalm:

I wish we would look in to this and try to get to the bottom of it. There must be something wrong with our training methods that result in these constant injuries.

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Art Vandelay

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It didn't take Mystic Meg to work out that perennially injured Diaby would continue being injured all the time. We should have just released him and written it off as a bad job long ago. His continued employment is an ongoing mystery to me. Let someone else worry if he's ever likely to play a decent proportion of a season because we've gone above and beyond our obligation now.

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