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Daley

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So if it fails he’ll miss Wolves and Spurs unless Spurs make the cup semi in which case it will be Wolves and Wigan?

No. If the ban is upheld he misses the Birmingham game this Saturday. If the ban is deemed "frivoulous" (whatever that means) they will add an extra game ban meaning he misses the Wolves game on the 3rd. I think it is worth an appeal and will be surprised if it is not over turned and think an extra game is unlikely.

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I can't see the red card getting rescinded, soft as it was. Vermaelen should never have let him get goal side in the first place, and he definitely put his hands on him at one point.

True, but I don't think they hand out red card for poor defending :(

I don't think theres a great deal of risk in it to be honest. I can't see them adding another games suspension as it isn't frivolous - unlike Ferdinand's appeal earlier in the season, which blatantly was. That means that either they uphold the one game suspension or we get him back early. And even if the appeal is deemed to be frivolous he'll only miss the wolves game, and that just gives him another games rest before Barcelona and (maybe) Spurs.

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No. If the ban is upheld he misses the Birmingham game this Saturday. If the ban appeal is deemed "frivoulous" (whatever that means) they will add an extra game ban meaning he misses the Wolves game on the 3rd. I think it is worth an appeal and will be surprised if it is not over turned and think an extra game is unlikely.

Corrected, just for the sake of clarity.

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Lorik Cana is pretty good though.

He's decent enough, that said you couldn't say that he is anything more than Sunderland's second best central midfielder.

He's good like Diame at Wigan is good. The backdrop of a patchy team probably flatters him, as does the fact that they make the MoTD highlight reels alot in pretty substandard matches.

He certainly doesn't shine in the same way Palacios did at Wigan, and we all know that Wenger didn't think he was up to the grade when he passed on the recommendation to Bruce.

I definitely would NOT enjoy to defending the free kicks he likes to conceed.

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He's decent enough, that said you couldn't say that he is anything more than Sunderland's second best central midfielder.

The backdrop of a patchy team probably flatters him

If only he'd been involved in a team that had, say, finished second in a major league and had been involved in the Champion's Cup. Ideally he'd have been good enough there to captain them too.

Then we could take him seriously.

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If only he'd been involved in a team that had, say, finished second in a major league and had been involved in the Champion's Cup. Ideally he'd have been good enough there to captain them too.

Then we could take him seriously.

Quite aside from the fact that you would be hard pushed to find a more Mickey Mouse competition than the French League Cup; why is it relevant what he did at PSG or Marseille? I am sure winning the cup when he broke through at PSG was a great way to announce the start of his career and I'm sure being captain at Marseille was as good for him as it was Habib Beye before Fat Sam condemned his career at Newcastle, but we see him every week here - surely that is the best way to judge no? I base my opinion of Lewis Hamilton on what he has does in F1 against proper competition in the big league rather than what he did in GP2, and why wouldn't I?

Anyway, my point is, for me Lorik Cana is not good enough to play for Arsenal. Denilson might not be either, but that doesn't mean I want to drop 8mio on a replacement who is equally unsatisfactory - would you?

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Quite aside from the fact that you would be hard pushed to find a more Mickey Mouse competition than the French League Cup; why is it relevant what he did at PSG or Marseille? I am sure winning the cup when he broke through at PSG was a great way to announce the start of his career and I'm sure being captain at Marseille was as good for him as it was Habib Beye before Fat Sam condemned his career at Newcastle, but we see him every week here - surely that is the best way to judge no? I base my opinion of Lewis Hamilton on what he has does in F1 against proper competition in the big league rather than what he did in GP2, and why wouldn't I?

Anyway, my point is, for me Lorik Cana is not good enough to play for Arsenal. Denilson might not be either, but that doesn't mean I want to drop 8mio on a replacement who is equally unsatisfactory - would you?

Well I clearly do think he is satisfactory, don't I?

At Marseille he wasn't surrounded by a rubbish team and he still looked good, which was your criticism of him at Sunderland. And he (and every footballer on the planet, for that matter) would clearly improve by playing at Arsenal too. And I repeat what I said up the thread - I don't think Ramsey would have a broken leg if Cana was on the pitch, because other teams wouldn't get away with treating us as they do.

Obviously you look at how a player did at previous clubs before signing him. Just as F1 managers would look at how Hamilton had done in the past before signing him. It's crazy to suggest you wouldn't. And saying that the French league is of a rubbish standard is ridiculous, the top few teams in it are all extremely good, hence there being two of them in the Champions League quarters - as many as there are from England. Last year Lyon got knocked out by Barcelona, who went on to win it. Marseille a couple of seasons ago beat Liverpool at Anfield...

And Beye was pretty good too, until he got injured and the team he was playing for went to crap.

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Also news/trivia about my other pet player. Champions Cup goals so far:

Name Team Goals Appearances Minutes played

Portugal Cristiano Ronaldo Spain Real Madrid 7 6 474'50"

Denmark Nicklas Bendtner England Arsenal 4 3 269'45"

England Michael Owen* England Manchester United 4 6 292'14"

Montenegro Stevan Jovetić Italy Fiorentina 4 4 300'50"

England Wayne Rooney England Manchester United 4 5 356'59"

Bosnia and Herzegovina Edin Džeko Germany Wolfsburg 4 6 560'24"

Bosnia and Herzegovina Miralem Pjanić France Lyon 4 8 602'16"

Colombia Radamel Falcao Portugal Porto 4 8 658'49"

Argentina Lionel Messi Spain Barcelona 4 7 659'30"

Serbia Miloš Krasić Russia CSKA Moscow 4 8 717'10"

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carlito

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Obviously you look at how a player did at previous clubs before signing him. Just as F1 managers would look at how Hamilton had done in the past before signing him. It's crazy to suggest you wouldn't. And saying that the French league is of a rubbish standard is ridiculous, the top few teams in it are all extremely good, hence there being two of them in the Champions League quarters - as many as there are from England. Last year Lyon got knocked out by Barcelona, who went on to win it. Marseille a couple of seasons ago beat Liverpool at Anfield...

And Beye was pretty good too, until he got injured and the team he was playing for went to crap.

The french league is rubbish. I absolutely stand by that statement - it's boring and rubbish. It is what the Eridivisie was a few years ago (now it's just rubbish from top to bottom), it has a couple of teams with a few decent players and below that it is absolute dross. It's a selling league just like the Dutch league, players with any type of promise leave well before they have had a chance to prove themselves, and well before they are ready. There is the odd exception you could choose to mention - I remember Miralem Pranjic had offers from the "Big 3" leagues when he was at Metz (Arsenal alledgedly being one of them) but chose Lyon - but that is pretty much 100% true. You can't lose your best players season after season and expect the league not to suffer.

Who will make up the exodus this year? Chamakh? Makoun? Gourcuff? Ben Arfa? Gomis? All of them?

I read in the paper today that Monaco get gates of 8,000 people - no wonder it didn't exactly get Gudjohnsson's heart pounding!

I agree though, it is surprising that there are two french teams in the UCL, I don't read that as a statement on the quality of the French league though - it's merely the nature of knockout competitions, you get surprise results - Pompey won the FA cup and Greece won the Euros - it's crazy stuff! Lyon beat Madrid - does that make them a better side? Of course not.

I think I'm right in saying Lyon won the title every year since 2000 or something silly until Bordeaux took it last year? That kind dominance is surely not the sign of a healthy competitive league. And lets be the fair the only reason Bordeaux managed to pip them in the end it is due to Milan's incredible oversight in putting an option to buy on the loan deal for Gourcuff so they landed a player who by rights should have been waaaaaaaaay out of their league and he had an absolute stormer last season along with Chamakh. Who else have the current french champions got in their squad that you would take? Gouffran maybe? Diarra at a push even though he is only the third best DM currently playing with the surname Diarra. Beyond that there isn't much is there? Maybe ex-Man U speed-klutz Bellion tickles your fancy?

The French League is gash, the Dutch League is gash and success in either means very little on it's own.

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I'd agree with what you say overall (the league is a bit shit) but a couple of points.

It's hardly fair to use Monaco's attendances as an indication of the health of the league. They play in a car park in a rich playboy's back garden which only fits 18,500. According to Wiki Ligue 1 average attendances for 2008/09 were a respectable 21,500 (4,000 behind Serie A and 8,000 odd behind La Liga). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atten..._sports_leagues

Also if domination of the championship is a bad sign the Premier League is buggered.

What were we talking about again?

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The french league is rubbish. I absolutely stand by that statement - it's boring and rubbish. It is what the Eridivisie was a few years ago (now it's just rubbish from top to bottom), it has a couple of teams with a few decent players and below that it is absolute dross. It's a selling league just like the Dutch league, players with any type of promise leave well before they have had a chance to prove themselves, and well before they are ready. There is the odd exception you could choose to mention - I remember Miralem Pranjic had offers from the "Big 3" leagues when he was at Metz (Arsenal alledgedly being one of them) but chose Lyon - but that is pretty much 100% true. You can't lose your best players season after season and expect the league not to suffer.

Who will make up the exodus this year? Chamakh? Makoun? Gourcuff? Ben Arfa? Gomis? All of them?

I read in the paper today that Monaco get gates of 8,000 people - no wonder it didn't exactly get Gudjohnsson's heart pounding!

I agree though, it is surprising that there are two french teams in the UCL, I don't read that as a statement on the quality of the French league though - it's merely the nature of knockout competitions, you get surprise results - Pompey won the FA cup and Greece won the Euros - it's crazy stuff! Lyon beat Madrid - does that make them a better side? Of course not.

I think I'm right in saying Lyon won the title every year since 2000 or something silly until Bordeaux took it last year? That kind dominance is surely not the sign of a healthy competitive league. And lets be the fair the only reason Bordeaux managed to pip them in the end it is due to Milan's incredible oversight in putting an option to buy on the loan deal for Gourcuff so they landed a player who by rights should have been waaaaaaaaay out of their league and he had an absolute stormer last season along with Chamakh. Who else have the current french champions got in their squad that you would take? Gouffran maybe? Diarra at a push even though he is only the third best DM currently playing with the surname Diarra. Beyond that there isn't much is there? Maybe ex-Man U speed-klutz Bellion tickles your fancy?

The French League is gash, the Dutch League is gash and success in either means very little on it's own.

Clearly our league is better, hence our top 4 team wouldn't take a lot of Bordeaux's players. In Arsene Wenger fashion I'd probably take Saivet, on the off-chance, as well as the obvious ones. I'd probably take Gouffran too. Probably. Wendel might be useful.

But I'm sure if you transposed the whole of the Bordeaux team into the Premiership they'd be finishing in the hunting-the-fourth-spot pack. Same for Lyon too.

They probably are a selling league, but that is an inevitable part of a league's development.

What were we talking about again?

Cana!

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"Vermaelen was shown a red card for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity"

This is simply bollocks and exactly why players and Clubs get so fed up. It's not even an obvious foul let alone an obvious goal scoring opportunity.

I'd go a step further and say if it were Barcelona or someone, fair enough but for West Ham, the only such thing as an obvious goal scoring opportunity is if the keeper and back four are dead and the ball is 1" away from the line dead centre of the goal. Anything else shouldn't count.

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Agreed - when you see what Arsene actually says (e.g. he was actually complimentary about Villa & Stoke) and the stats to back up his points you wonder how the managers in question and the media get away with peddling the same old crap. Arsene isn't always right and he can say some daft things but, in this case, he is bang on.

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