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mop

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I'm not against it. There's plenty of positives we can hope Sol can bring to the team but most of them won't be on the pitch.

Like I said earlier, it just seems like the easy, FREE, opition.

EDIT: Also what Rev said, which was what I said.

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Clean sheet with Sol on, then conceded two when he went off.

COINCIDENCE?

NO, NOT A CHANCE. HE MUST NOW PLAY IN ALL 1ST TEAM GAMES.

But in all seriousness, I hear he looked solid. Twas just a reserve game though.

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Art Vandelay

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Remember when Sol disgraced himself in one of the worst performances imaginable, then left the ground at half time still wearing his boots and kit, speeding off into the night in a taxi cab? What times! I always thought he was top notch, but he let everyone down big time and as such probably shouldn't be back. Having said all of that it's got to be better than playing Silvestre.

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Remember when Sol disgraced himself in one of the worst performances imaginable, then left the ground at half time still wearing his boots and kit, speeding off into the night in a taxi cab? What times! I always thought he was top notch, but he let everyone down big time and as such probably shouldn't be back. Having said all of that it's got to be better than playing Silvestre.

Forgive and forget and all that...

(Let's just celebrate the fact that we're probably signing someone).

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Daley

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Like he cares-have you seen his bird?

Hang on i've been away. What did I miss?

And in transfer-related news Liverpool have gone mental:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liver...icle285677.html

Marouane Chamakh has agreed to join Liverpool in a £25million deal the club hope will signal their transfer intent.

The highly rated striker is wanted by Arsenal, Juventus, Inter Milan and West Ham, but the Reds have stolen a march by offering a big money pre-contract agreement they expect the player to sign before the end of the month.

Bordeaux striker Chamakh is out of contract at the end of the season, and he signaled his intent to wait for a move until the summer, when he can command a massive signing on fee, in the absence of a transfer fee.

That has put off Arsenal, who were hoping to tempt the Morocco international to come to north London during the current transfer window, by paying a small fee to his French club.

But after intensive negotiations at the weekend with the player, Liverpool believe they have a deal and are prepared to use the money they will raise through sales during the current window to pledge to the 26 year old.

It could cost them as much as a £12million signing on fee, and a contract in the region of £60,000 a week, which would amount to a massive outlay approaching £25million over the course of a five year deal.

I know that's how these deals work. Our original deal for Campbell was similar, we paid him two wages, one for his "transfer fee" and one for his normal wages but a £12m signing on fee just seems mental when he is supposedly "free" in the summer.

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arokib666

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what do people think about the situation at man united?? i've been reading about it the last couple of days and they are in the shit good and proper. if they fail to qualify for the champions league they are fucked....a bit like liverpool will be over the next few seasons.

if stan kroenke of that fat russian take over will we be in the same situation???

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what do people think about the situation at man united?? i've been reading about it the last couple of days and they are in the shit good and proper. if they fail to qualify for the champions league they are fucked....a bit like liverpool will be over the next few seasons.

if stan kroenke of that fat russian take over will we be in the same situation???

Didn't Man U recently post profits of 40m? :)

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I'm under the impression that Kroenke operates in a different, more responsible way than Liverpool & Man Utd's yank owners. He's been on the board for a little while so no doubt that the guys in charge have had a chance to weigh up how he would operate the club and manage the finances should he launch a takeover bid. I feel for the above 2 clubs fans, what a fucking shambles.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/ja...training-ground

The ownership of Manchester United's Carrington training complex could be transferred to a holding company controlled by the Glazer family and leased back to the club, according to the prospectus ­circulated to potential investors in a £500m refinancing scheme this week.

The £500m bond and a new £75m credit facility, which will add to an overall debt pile of more than £700m, will be secured on the majority of property owned by Manchester United, including Old Trafford.

But Carrington, the state of the art ­complex that opened in 2000 to replace Manchester United's old training ground The Cliff, is specifically exempted.

"The Carrington training ground will not be encumbered and may in due course be transferred to a holding company or affiliate of the Parent. In the latter event, we will be granted a lease in respect of the Carrington training ground," said the offer document in a section describing Manchester United's business and assets.

The club currently own the freehold on Carrington and the idea of one of the assets most readily associated with them being transferred to the Glazers' own holding company, and potentially sold, will cause further disquiet among fans concerned that money continues to flow out of Old Trafford despite consistent success on the pitch.

The prospect of the club losing the training ground has disturbing echoes of Leeds United, who during their financial collapse were forced to sell their Thorp Arch training ground and lease it back.

It's a very, very big debt, even for Man United.

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Aye, I was coming here to post that regardless of Man Utd being a profitable or at least financially stable club, they have almost the entirety of the Glazer's various debts saddled to the club. It's entirely unethical and should, in my opinion, be illegal.

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I'm under the impression that Kroenke operates in a different, more responsible way than Liverpool & Man Utd's yank owners. He's been on the board for a little while so no doubt that the guys in charge have had a chance to weigh up how he would operate the club and manage the finances should he launch a takeover bid. I feel for the above 2 clubs fans, what a fucking shambles.

hmmmm....if he takes over using debt then we'll end up in the same shit as liverpool and man u, if he does an abramovich and uses his own money then we could be in the situation of no champions league from 2012 due to platini's stupid rules.

hopefully things will stay as they are with arsenal...

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hmmmm....if he takes over using debt then we'll end up in the same shit as liverpool and man u, if he does an abramovich and uses his own money then we could be in the situation of no champions league from 2012 due to platini's stupid rules.

hopefully things will stay as they are with arsenal...

Which explains why both Chelsea's and Man City's owners have recently converted the debts into equity. Basically created more shares in the clubs, instead of the debt, which they also own.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/chelsea-o...f303041145.html

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/mancheste...9c1a51128b.html

They were both interest free loans provided to the clubs but have now been converted into shares to satisfy Platini. Not sure what Man Utd and Liverpool will do though. Although i'm not sure if the club has the debt or the holding company which owns it and if that will be allowed.

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Hang on i've been away. What did I miss?

And in transfer-related news Liverpool have gone mental:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liver...icle285677.html

I know that's how these deals work. Our original deal for Campbell was similar, we paid him two wages, one for his "transfer fee" and one for his normal wages but a £12m signing on fee just seems mental when he is supposedly "free" in the summer.

I highly doubt that it's anywhere close to £12m. If you were aware of the way we've been structuring our deals, as well as the amounts we've been spending, I'm sure you'd agree. Although having said that, if that's what it takes to get him (it won't be), then I'd be happy with that. We are crying out for somebody like him to take some of the strain off Torres, and having watched (and raved about) Bordeaux a lot since Blanc took over, I feel he'd ring an extra dimension to our play. I'll be absolutely made up if we get him. I was completely resigned to seeing him in an Arsenal shirt next season.

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I'm under the impression that Kroenke operates in a different, more responsible way than Liverpool & Man Utd's yank owners. He's been on the board for a little while so no doubt that the guys in charge have had a chance to weigh up how he would operate the club and manage the finances should he launch a takeover bid. I feel for the above 2 clubs fans, what a fucking shambles.

He still hasn't paid for all the shares he has bought, so any outright bid would require him to take on more debt and probably pile it onto the club. You already have a lot of debt, though this is obviously very sustainable due to the developments at Highbury and the massive matchday income due to the Emirates. Anyway, he had to state his intention to buy the club if he was going to make a bid at the AGM, so he can't make a bid for at least a year or so now. Problem is, with the debt out of the way the club will be worth more, which means he'll have to stump up even more cash if he wants to buy.

It's all well and good if your owners is a Randy Lerner, Dave Whelan or someone like that. Someone who's stays out of the football, takes care of business, and puts profits back into the club. Icing on the cake is that they actually had the money to buy the club, and they're nice blokes. Liverpool and United were not nearly so lucky.

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Throbin Hood

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If Kroenke takes over we are screwed. He hasn't paid off a lot of the shares he has already bought and didn't fire the coach of his American Football team because of the financial penalties (they really sucked too). He isn't flush with cash and the only saving grace is that we have the new stadium, most of our players are very young and Wenger refuses to pay over the odds for anyone.

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