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Steve007

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Dreadful performance.

We somehow managed to fluke a win there. So many players out of form, no direction from that moron Wenger and it's becoming painful to watch how poor we have become. If Chelsea or anyone decent had been playing Standard Liege they'd have buried them.

Wigan will be a real test on Saturday. Their players are not scared to put themselves about and work hard - something most of our lot don't know the meaning of.

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I don't know whether to be happy that we can overcome a two goal deficit, or annoyed that we had one in the first place.

I hope every game Arsenal play this season aren't as ridiculous as the last three. It's doing me no good at all.

careful now, any analysis of that performance, and the circumstances surrounding team selection, will sound like you're making excuses... :hat:

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Play badly and win.

My fuck we did that tonight lads.

Anyway aside from the embarassing quality of service from crosses and set pieces, careless passing, suicidal defending, inability to beat defenders with pace and slew of tragic individual performances it was nice to see Rosicky ping some nice passes about on what, I can only assume from the apparent difficulties all the other players had, was a very wet pitch and get stuck into a couple of very well timed tackles. Also it seems Vermaelen has a personal agenda to prove my pre-season misgivings about him wrong - he just keeps on impressing. Thought Rambo had a decent cameo too.

Bad game. Team yips. Happens.

Bet we beat Wigan by 3 clear goals.

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The Fox

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Dreadful performance.

We somehow managed to fluke a win there. So many players out of form, no direction from that moron Wenger and it's becoming painful to watch how poor we have become. If Chelsea or anyone decent had been playing Standard Liege they'd have buried them.

Wigan will be a real test on Saturday. Their players are not scared to put themselves about and work hard - something most of our lot don't know the meaning of.

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Standard Liege aren't a dogshit side, even without their best player, Defour (for all his leg-breaking prowess, Witsel is also a very good player). This was a harder game on paper than Chelsea's or Liverpool's, without doubt, and I didn't think either of those teams 'buried' their opponents.

We started poorly and didn't look especially great all night, but playing poorly and still winning is a mark of good sides, not bad ones. And there were positives; Bendtner for instance had a good game at centre forward.

To be honest I can't figure out if you're trolling or just have serious negativity issues. We're painfully poor and Wenger is a moron? Behave -- not even a Spuds fan would seriously suggest the guy is stupid. We've taken three points from away games at Everton, Man Utd and Man City and it really should have been at least six on the balance of play. And now, despite being far from our best, we've taken another three points from an away fixture in the Big Cup. Talk about 'Glass half empty'. Jesus.

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mop

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I think a lot of us are hard wired to focus on the negatives after so many years of shit seasons and no trophies. Sometimes this can cause over-reactions and such.

As has been said by myself and others, we played shit and won. That's a nice change. We've been complaining about how we play well and still lose and how if we played shit and won it'd be great.

Well, we did that last night. Let's just relish that for a while.

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Steve007

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We're painfully poor and Wenger is a moron?

We have been getting worse every year since we last won the league. The squad gets thinner and younger each season as we lose an experienced player, and the experienced players are then replaced with a rookie who is barely old enough to drive.

We have gone from challenging and winning the league to not being quite good enough but comfortably making the top 4, then to stumbling over the finish line to claim 4th place like we've done in the last few seasons. That's decline.

Wenger tries to mug the fans by claiming that a player coming back from injury is like "a new signing". Our only chance of silverware last season was the FA Cup. To field the team he did against Chelsea robbed the fans of watching our best 11 play. Had we played our best team we probably would have won that game and would have been in with a chance of silverware.

Every fan knows where we need to strengthen the team. Every fan knows where we need extra cover but Wenger keeps claiming that the squad is adaquate and doesn't need new players. I'm sorry, but that's fucking bullshit.

Man City & Spurs have invested heavily (that's called ambition) and we haven't done so for years (that's called a lack of ambition). If the club really is potless, then they should just come out and say so. At least us, the fans would then understand. Instead we are led to believe there's money there to be spent, but we get disappointed each and every transfer window when we see far more exiting players than arrivals.

I don't know about you, but I'm fucking pissed off with it. I also question Wenger on what he actually does in training with the players. It's painfully apparent that we don't practise set pieces. When we get a corner, look at the players looking at each other wondering who is going to take the kick for example. It's comical. Our corners are bloody atrocious. We get so many in home games yet they usually fail to clear the first man or they are over hit or the opposing goalie catches them. I think last night summed up everything bad about our side. Yes, we won but it was incredibly fortuitous. When Wenger was interviewed after the game he was in full 'robotic mode' and said "mental strength" & "belief" like he does in every post-match interview. It's painful.

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Lucky

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While we are slightly short on numbers, I think our biggest problem is too many average players (in the team let alone the squad)

Almunia - Average to half decent

Fabianski - Average

Song - Improving all the time, but good enough to be a regular starter? Not sure.

Diaby - Shit

Denilson - Average

Eboue - Shit

Bendtner - See Song

Senderos - Shit to barely average

Djourou - Shit to average

Silvestre - Shit

Vela, Merida & Theo - bags of potential but jury is still out

Even with everyone fit, Almunia, Song, Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner & Theo could well be regular starters.

Way too many average players.

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Rev

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Well a sensible definition in this instance is probably 'Would they get as much first team action at United or Chelsea? If not, they're possibly not good enough'.

So basically, basically, are they one of the best players in their position in the world?

Yeah, that's a reasonable definition of average.

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The Grand Pursuivant

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So basically, basically, are they one of the best players in their position in the world?

Yeah, that's a reasonable definition of average.

5 years ago, the answer to that question was mostly yes. World class goalie, defenders, midfielders and strikers. Hell, not just world class, some were actually the best in the world. Now, we have Arshavin, Van Persie and, well, that's it. Apart from those two. I couldn't name one Arsenal player who would walk in to the first team at Utd or Chelsea. 5 years ago, I would have been able to name virtually our whole team.

If you're happy to be better than average, rather than world class, then more power to you.

No, wait, less power.

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Yeah, because those are all the players I'm talking about. :lol:

They are like for like comparisons, are they not?

You're just whinging because we don't have Henry or Pires then? Well, Chelsea and Man Utd don't have Henry or Pires or anyone of similar quality to them either do they? Who is a fair replacement for them then? Who should we have bought that are that good?

You're just whinging for the sake of it.

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The Grand Pursuivant

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They are like for like comparisons, are they not?

You're just whinging because we don't have Henry or Pires then? Well, Chelsea and Man Utd don't have Henry or Pires or anyone of similar quality to them either do they? Who is a fair replacement for them then? Who should we have bought that are that good?

You're just whinging for the sake of it.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing, whinging for the sake of it. Apart from the fact that all I did was compare the team we had 5 years ago, to the team we had now. You can call it whining all you want. And you say I'm wrong by comparing players like Cygan and Aliadiere? What kind of crazy world do you live in?

The Arsenal starting line up from 5 years ago was roughly this:

Lehmann - Campbell, Toure, Cole, Lauren - Pires, Ljungberg, Gilberto/Edu, Vieira - Henry, Bergkamp

Almunia is nothing compared to Lehmann, literally nothing. Vermaelen looks good, but if you take the back four we have now, vs the back four we had then, there is no comparison. Again, we go to midfield, the only person who can compare is Arshavin. Enough said about the attack.

Getting rid of Pires, Henry and Vieira were all mistakes as far as I'm concerned, especially considering that we've not won anything since we let them go. It's been the same story for the last 5 seasons, we sold all of our best players for miniscule amounts of money, and made no effort to replace them. You can say that the Arsenal team we have now is good enough all you want, it doesn't make it true, and it doesn't mean I have any less right to complain about the fact that Wenger built up the best team this country has ever seen, and then let it go to shit.

But sure, all I'm doing is whinging for the sake of it.

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Rev

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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing, whinging for the sake of it. Apart from the fact that all I did was compare the team we had 5 years ago, to the team we had now. You can call it whining all you want. And you say I'm wrong by comparing players like Cygan and Aliadiere? What kind of crazy world do you live in?

I was comparing players on the bench 5 years ago against players on the bench now, wasn't I? Bendtner isn't first choice, neither was Aliadiere. Cygan wasn't first choice, neither is Djourou. And the 2009 players are better. Do you see?

The Arsenal starting line up from 5 years ago was roughly this:

Lehmann - Campbell, Toure, Cole, Lauren - Pires, Ljungberg, Gilberto/Edu, Vieira - Henry, Bergkamp

Lehmann wasn't amazing. He was better than Almunia, but Almunia has made saves Lehmann wouldn't have. Who would you like to buy to replace him then?

Our defence is worse than it was, but not by a massive amount. Clichy on a good day is as good as Cole, Sagna is better than Lauren. Gallas is arguably better than Toure was. Not a massive difference, is it? Is Walcott at his best that much worse than Ljungberg? That means we can compare Arshavin to Pires, which is generous but it isn't far off. And we don't have Henry. No. As I said before, who have we missed out on for £10m-ish that we spent on him that is as good as a 26 year old Henry?

It's like it has become a sport unto itself saying we're shit and it blatantly isn't true. We're not as good as a team that went unbeaten for 49 games you say? Who is?

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mop

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Ha! Chin up, Rev! :(

Yes, enthusiasm is hard to garner at the moment but there's nothing wrong with being a bit positive now and then. Usually just before a game. It changes, most of the time, after full time.

As a supporter, you support. Nothing wrong with that. Nor is there anything wrong with analyzing and discussing the faults, perceived or otherwise, of the team.

I tend to step back when we all are doing the latter. Most of the time it's because someone has already said what I wanted to, but better. Sometimes, though, I don't think anything anyone could say would pick up the spirits of some people here.

I will say that any comparison to a team 5 years gone is pointless. Whether on the whole or player by player.

Lucky got it right, we have a lot of players that are squad players (or Average, if you like), damn fine sqaud players if you ask me but squad players none the less, and not enough proper first team players.

Our team though, when fully fit, is pretty strong I think. But, of course, that's the rub. We never have a fully fit squad or anything close.

I'm still optimisic and I'm looking forward to Wigan on Saturday. It's my curse. :lol:

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