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3 minutes ago, Gotters said:


yes you can when advantage played like that, though doubt we’ll see it happen to any other team this season

 

Like that time Xhaka got sent off for a professional foul about 75 yards from goal. Never seen another player get a red like that. 

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I find the refs are out to get us conspiracy stuff idiotic - it's annoying when other teams say it and I hold us to the same standard

 

I think it's more a combination of Arteta winding them all up very tight (bet you get a bigger bollocking for letting somebody pass than picking up a card) and us simply being terrible at shithousing - there is a reason City get away with their snide rotational fouling and it's by being good at it, also as a tactic that inherently suits a team that defends less and has the ball more as you don't need to do it as much and can do it higher up the pitch.

 

I do agree the ref got a bit excited last night at what he was able to technically do. Where Martinelli had made the quick calculation I can have a free one here on the Wolves attacker (after the foul on the touchline) the ref thought oh look and I can do a rare double yellow. I do think the comedy/hapless narrative that surrounds Arsenal in recent years does us no good in these situations too, it may not be conscious for refs but if you were told a team got a red in those circumstances and were asked to guess who it was you'd say Xhaka/Arsenal.

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I don’t buy into the “refs are out to get us” narrative, but it is strange that we’re constantly having to talk about these decisions. We sound like a dirty team, but we’re near the bottom for fouls committed, which shows we’re not dirty and our reds seem to be controversial a lot of the time.

 

The thing that does get me is take the City game, Rodri made four fouls that would be yellow cards, he didn’t get booked until he took his shirt off in the 94th minute. These are the things that annoy me most. The inconsistencies.

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There isn’t a conspiracy against Arsenal but our games are refereed differently. There’s a big enough sample size now to see that these ridiculous decisions aren’t outliners, they’re literally happening every single week. City aren’t any better at fouling either, they have a manager who will chew out the officials after the game and make it clear he won’t have it. We’ve somehow got a reputation of being a team with bad discipline and refs have bought into that. It’s like when Xhaka got sent off for next to nothing and the ref said to us “you know what Granit’s like”. Well, yeah we do, but that’s not how officiating a football game works. 
 

Get in the press today and demand clarification on it. I don’t get what we’ve got to lose at this point. It’s a red card and suspension for two incidents that are barely fouls. Fabinho committed 8 against us and got nothing. Conspiracy or otherwise it’s not fair.

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I did see a table the other day about fouls committed per yellow and whilst Arsenal were near the fewest needed we weren't the hardest done by on that measure.

 

I wonder how somebody totally impartial would view it with the banter FC hysteria removed from it all - I feel we are hard done by, often in the same game, and appear to pick up far softer cards than City in that particular game. But I'm also rational enough to realise I'm not totally impartial and would like to see some cold analysis of foul locations and events for our cards. I seem to recall City were fouling us in our defensive third on the turnover, so it seemed far less like denying a break than when we do it, often on halfway or inside our own half when caught on the counter. 

 

I remember when I used to go raging at opposing keepers who at 0-0 would take ages over goal kicks, then when we got ahead our keeper would be booked in the last minute - that sort of thing riles you but is easily skewed by your colours. 

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I'm aware it's easy to see it with biased eyes, but with something like the Martinelli red if you follow the letter of the law as written there's no way it can be given as a sending off. If it's a caution for impeding the throw then he can't play advantage for the next incident to happen. It's supposed to follow that play stops, the player gets a booking and then it's restarted with a free-kick. Either incident is the sort of thing you might get booked for, but one can't follow the other. I appreciate this is all nit-picking boring technicality, but it does show how motivated Oliver was to break precedent. I can only speculate as to what his thinking was, but I guess he'd got the hump in the moment at our time wasting and breaking up of play? I dunno, judging from my eyes it's just not a dirty team in the slightest. 

 

Anyway, just going to enjoy Neves and three points this morning. Hilarious.

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2 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

I'm aware it's easy to see it with biased eyes, but with something like the Martinelli red if you follow the letter of the law as written there's no way it can be given as a sending off. If it's a caution for impeding the throw then he can't play advantage for the next incident to happen. I

 

Sorry but under the law that is exactly what the ref is permitted to do, under the made up laws of football (see also 'first one isn't a card ref' and 'last man sending off') it's of course rarely a red, especially when your own player is doing it.

 

It's rare and most I think would go for a single yellow and let it slide, but he's totally within the laws to give the red. 

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7 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

I look forward to the absolute letter of the law being applied to every single incident in the future then.

 

of course it won't be.

 

I'm just highlighting that saying the ref was wrong last night is incorrect, he wasn't. 

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11 minutes ago, Gotters said:

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1492065392994529280

 

Technically the ref has had a blinder here, punished Arsenal appropriately, kept the game flowing for Wolves then given them a player advantage that they failed to capitalise on after foul play from their opponent.

 

Now lets see everything judged at this level and consistently.

 

That isn't right though, I like Dale but it clearly was a foul throw. 

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and you can't play advantage if the ball is "dead". its semantics I know but all the people going letter of the law. the point is he jumped to throw it over martinelli.

 

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Exactly. If a player is blocking a free kick, you can't just shift the ball sideways two yards and play a rolling free kick. If you're going to rely on the letter of the law, the ball should never have been allowed back in play like that.

 

I'm sure technically in the rules, the ref could have given the yellows in that sequence, but like Arteta said, you really, really have to want to give it. And we know we'll be waiting years to ever see anything like this again.

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I guess for me it was self evident it didn't impede the throw as it went exactly where he wanted and play continued. It's a bit like when Lehmann got sent off in the Champions League final for denying a goal-scoring opportunity when they scored from the resulting passage of play. There's the rules and then there's common sense and the license refs have to pick and choose what they'd rather do on a whim. The issue is that Mike Riley's shabby little closed shop of idiots are held to absolutely zero account. Their job should be to keep 22 players on the pitch where possible, and he had ample opportunity to do that yesterday but chose to insert himself into the narrative of the game like usual. 

 

My problem now that we're not really earning bookings. If the tariff for Partey is one foul = one card, then let's at least do something to merit it. Leave one on them like everyone else does rather than get a cheap yellow for a shirt tug or taking too long to restart. What do we have to lose at this point.

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Credit to Nketiah and Pepe, thought they both looked sharp when they came on. Odegaard looks better in every match, best player out there for me. And I though Gabe did well after that howler for the goal, made a real important block at 1-1 that looked like it was heading in.  

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Amazing scenes. What was up with Wolves though? They looked like they could of torn us apart in the second half, but just sat back and time wasted. Glad we persisted and got the result!

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15 hours ago, Silent Runner said:

And I though Gabe did well after that howler for the goal, made a real important block at 1-1 that looked like it was heading in.  

That's jolly decent of me, considering I'm not even an Arsenal fan ;)

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