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I find it stranger that you’d consider appointing a first timer to be the focal point of an asset valued at over $2 billion based on the fact they played 100 games for us, speak the language and have been an assistant to somebody exceptionally good. In what other industry would this be considered a rational move ?

 

He may have a cv developing that one day will see him be a top level manager, should we be giving him his first head coach/manager job though ? Not in my opinion, he’s a totally unattractive proposition, unless we’ve fallen so far you think we are now a proving ground for first timers to be learning their trade before going to a big club.

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18 hours ago, Gotters said:

I find it stranger that you’d consider appointing a first timer to be the focal point of an asset valued at over $2 billion based on the fact they played 100 games for us, speak the language and have been an assistant to somebody exceptionally good. In what other industry would this be considered a rational move ?

 

He may have a cv developing that one day will see him be a top level manager, should we be giving him his first head coach/manager job though ? Not in my opinion, he’s a totally unattractive proposition, unless we’ve fallen so far you think we are now a proving ground for first timers to be learning their trade before going to a big club.

 

It would be a risk for sure, but Emery had loads of experience, a strong CV and spent good money while at Arsenal and that didn't work at all.

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Business sport. I love Arsenal but I find football as a proposition entirely fucking grim right now. Tough to divide club loyalty and personal agenda when it gets down to it, I can't sit down and enjoy football on a Saturday afternoon any more. 

 

Nice to see Phil McNulty providing impartial analysis as always. The simultaneous attempted hand wringing about "oh woe is a once great club" coupled with the obvious attempt to stick the boot in is quite interesting. 

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16 hours ago, Gotters said:

I find it stranger that you’d consider appointing a first timer to be the focal point of an asset valued at over $2 billion based on the fact they played 100 games for us, speak the language and have been an assistant to somebody exceptionally good. In what other industry would this be considered a rational move ?

 

He may have a cv developing that one day will see him be a top level manager, should we be giving him his first head coach/manager job though ? Not in my opinion, he’s a totally unattractive proposition, unless we’ve fallen so far you think we are now a proving ground for first timers to be learning their trade before going to a big club.

 

Id say Arsenal are on the rung just above "give promising assistant first job as head coach", so would be in the bracket of "give manager at club punching above their weight a go at a bigger club" now, so candidates in both brackets are just as likely to be seen. I'd say alot of Arsenal fans still see the club as bigger than they really are on a footballing level (not the business side of things)

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There’s all this talk about Nuno. Imagine the difference for him though. Wolves have got that proper family vibe thing going on. Like Leicester. So much love and passion and belief. 
 

He’ll sure as hell not have any of that at arsenal if he moved. If I was him I wouldn’t do it. 


I had a season ticket for years and years and live less than a mile from the emirates but stopped going regularly a couple of seasons ago. Mainly because of the ridiculous expense (and time, I’ve got two young kids) but the deluded and entitled fans started getting to me.

 

We can’t get one of the biggest managers at the moment, we’re not at that level. 

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From Ornstein on the Athletic - there is so much that makes you shake your head with this (wanting to do it on the cheap rather than right, Allegri speaking less English than Emery etc)

 

Spoiler

Arsenal eye up free agent to replace Emery…and Rodgers ‘happy at Leicester’

Life after Unai Emery began for Arsenal with a 2-2 draw at Norwich City and, although the club have confidence in Freddie Ljungberg to lead the first team for as long as necessary, their work behind the scenes to appoint a new permanent head coach is well under way.

While there is no specific period for Ljungberg’s interim role and he should not be completely discounted as a full-time option, the expectation is that the job will go to an external candidate. The Athletic understands Arsenal have priority names and the initial focus is on candidates who are immediately available.

That would point towards the likes of former Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri and ex-Tottenham boss Mauricio Pochettino, while some believe Manchester City assistant coach Mikel Arteta would fall into the same category if he asked to leave the Etihad Stadium.

Complicating matters is an apparent preference not to spend heavily on acquiring the next boss, which would be a problem for most people currently in management and possibly even for those who are not — depending on the terms of their severance agreements with previous employers.

Admiration for Allegri and Pochettino was strong in 2018, when Arsenal eventually chose Emery to succeed Arsene Wenger, but Allegri did not interview well and Pochettino was settled at Spurs. But data analysis reflected well on both men and defensively, where the team’s main weaknesses lie, it is said that Allegri posted the most impressive numbers of all the candidates.

A major stumbling block with Allegri was communication — sources say he did not even make smalltalk in English and that his agent spoke more English than Allegri did Italian. Arsenal were also understood to be unimpressed with the 52-year-old’s request to bring in nine members of backroom staff.

Sources claim Allegri now has concerns about the quality of Arsenal’s squad and would rather wait until the summer to return to the dugout, yet the club are known to retain their fondness for him.

It is unclear how wounded Arteta was to miss out on the post when Emery proved the shock pick, and how close the Spaniard is to taking over from City boss Pep Guardiola in the future.

Keeping a close eye on that situation will be Giovanni van Bronckhorst, who is essentially undertaking a traineeship with City. Despite reports indicating he would be placed at the helm of their Major League Soccer sister club New York City, he remains in Manchester and is highly regarded.

A guest in the directors’ box for Tuesday’s Champions League game against Shakhtar Donetsk, Van Bronckhorst was joined for the first time by his wife Marieke and son Jake and held conversations with City executives.

Links between Arsenal and Brendan Rodgers persist, too. Sources are aware of his desire to at some stage lead one of the so-called ‘top six’ clubs again following his spell with Liverpool, but The Athletic has been told he will not be leaving Leicester City — currently riding high in second place in the Premier League — for now.

While Arsenal did consider Rodgers in 2018, the then-Celtic boss was not interviewed because of doubts over whether his personality and stature were right for them at that moment in time. It is thought the Northern Irishman is back in their thoughts and that tentative enquiries have been made, only for a clear message to be relayed that Rodgers is happy and going nowhere.

After seeing his side beat Everton on Sunday, Rodgers said: “Most managers’ contracts will have something in (like a release clause), but my focus is here.”

 

 

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I honestly have no idea who I want as the next manager. Arteta is a huge gamble, Allegri is good bet and I think would be the kind of manager people were expecting when Emery came in. Having had 1.5 years of pretty dire Football, people are probably against his appointment now though. I'd love Pochettino, but realistically he could go somewhere bigger in the Summer given what he achieved at Spurs. Rodgers would be ideal, but he's not going to leave Leicester if they make the Champions League....

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Latest Ornstein & Chapman podcast an interesting listen.

 

Lots of snippets on Allegri beyond not speaking English in his interview - saying he heard Allegri came across as aloof, asking 'why should I consider Arsenal' and he didn't fancy the squad (which I view as a decent sign in a lot of places) plus he wants to bring 9 backroom coaches with him.

 

 

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Witholding judgement on that line up, I like that Torreira is starting but it depends what his role is going to be tonight, if he's to sit in front of the back four then great. If not, then no point including him.

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