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Mind you, take Hazard out of Chelsea, Suarez out of Liverpool and Aguero/Yaya out of City and none of those teams will play as well as they could.

They are all players we could have had. We'd have signed Suarez if we didn't fuck Liverpool off with a £40m + £1 bid. We could have had Hazard a year before Chelsea if we coughed up the money instead of fucking about and I actually saw Yaya Toure play as a trialist for Arsenal against St Albans. Wenger decided he didn't need him.

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They are all players we could have had. We'd have signed Suarez if we didn't fuck Liverpool off with a £40m + £1 bid. We could have had Hazard a year before Chelsea if we coughed up the money instead of fucking about and I actually saw Yaya Toure play as a trialist for Arsenal against St Albans. Wenger decided he didn't need him.

I think we're talking about two different things. I'm saying that the teams above us don't function as well without their star players. You're saying that we should have bought those players.

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Szczesny still proving he's shit.


I think we're talking about two different things. I'm saying that the teams above us don't function as well without their star players. You're saying that we should have bought those players.

I'm trying to say how much better we would have functioned if we signed them when we had the chance.

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They are all players we could have had. We'd have signed Suarez if we didn't fuck Liverpool off with a £40m + £1 bid.

That's debatable, Steve.

We could have had Hazard a year before Chelsea if we coughed up the money instead of fucking about...

I'd never heard that. Also, the year you're referring to was when we signed a certain dreadlocked (and massive foreheaded fiveheaded teammate of his, who'd just completed a (statistically, at least) superior season.

...and I actually saw Yaya Toure play as a trialist for Arsenal against St Albans. Wenger decided he didn't need him.

I thought it was work permit issues with Yaya Toure? He played for Beveren (who were of course basically a partner/feeder team for us at one point), then went to the Ukraine or somewhere after getting impatient when we couldn't sign him due to work permit issues, I thought...

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JDubYes

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Thing is, Mourinho just said the truth. Wenger is an overpaid underachieving muppet.

Realistically, where do you think we'd be without him? In terms of the club in general, as well as the team. I ask because I think he's far from perfect, but I love the man, and I think you're taking him massively for granted when you make comments like that.

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I'm no arsenal fan. Infact dislike the club more than like them. But I do feel sad for Wenger getting humiliated on such an important match for the Title AND marking his 1000th game.

I'm no arsenal fan. Infact dislike the club more than like them. But I do feel sad for Wenger getting humiliated on such an important match for the Title AND marking his 1000th game.

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Steve007

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Realistically, where do you think we'd be without him? In terms of the club in general, as well as the team. I ask because I think he's far from perfect, but I love the man, and I think you're taking him massively for granted when you make comments like that.

We'd be playing better. I've seen us get dicked too many times this year and there's something very wrong when players heads drop after the first goal all the time. No one really fears for their place and things are too comfy at the club. Players should be playing for their place all the time.

Wenger is also tactically inept. In the past he had the players to get him through his tactical naivety but he's just been shown up to be average over the last 6 or 7 years. Mourinho knows this and just said what every other manager was thinking.

With a new manager I'm not saying we would be winning leagues all the time as no one can compete with Man City's cash for example, but we'd certainly be doing better than scraping a top 4 finish year after year. We have good players but they should be doing better. A good manager would get more from them. If we had Mourinho in charge would we be losing by 6's & 5's against our rivals regularly? NO. He wouldn't allow it to happen.

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People slamming Wenger are pretty quick to ignore other clubs and managers. Arsenal consistently qualify for UCL and don't spend money anywhere near the other qualifiers. Look at United for a case study of a team with higher spending powers and bad management. Look at Spurs for a club that spends shit loads and never do it. Also, Wenger keeps losing high best players and staying up there.

People slamming Wenger are pretty quick to ignore other clubs and managers. Arsenal consistently qualify for UCL and don't spend money anywhere near the other qualifiers. Look at United for a case study of a team with higher spending powers and bad management. Look at Spurs for a club that spends shit loads and never do it. Also, Wenger keeps losing his best players and staying up there.

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People slamming Wenger are pretty quick to ignore other clubs and managers. Arsenal consistently qualify for UCL and don't spend money anywhere near the other qualifiers. Look at United for a case study of a team with higher spending powers and bad management. Look at Spurs for a club that spends shit loads and never do it. Also, Wenger keeps losing high best players and staying up there.

That's such a poor argument to make though, unless you think the ambition of the club (any club) is just to play - not really contend, just play - in the Champions League each season. For a couple of seasons I think, yeah, it's good to consolidate that position. But then you need to push on and look to progress, otherwise what's the point?

Wenger doesn't spend much money because he *chooses* to not spend any money. They have 2 multi-billionaire major shareholders, so that isn't really an excuse (though I do commend the living within their means approach, the global football landscape would look very different if all teams adopted that approach.)

Let's not forget, the last 2 seasons it took remarkable runs (plus collapses from Spurs) to secure 4th, they were never comfortable for getting there. Does that not signal a bit of a decline?

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I'll be the first to defend Wenger and realistically did not expect to see us win this match given the injuries to the squad and Giroud's poor performance, but honestly how many times has Wenger sent out a squad against one of these high pressing teams and got battered?

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That's such a poor argument to make though, unless you think the ambition of the club (any club) is just to play - not really contend, just play - in the Champions League each season. For a couple of seasons I think, yeah, it's good to consolidate that position. But then you need to push on and look to progress, otherwise what's the point?

Wenger doesn't spend much money because he *chooses* to not spend any money. They have 2 multi-billionaire major shareholders, so that isn't really an excuse (though I do commend the living within their means approach, the global football landscape would look very different if all teams adopted that approach.)

Let's not forget, the last 2 seasons it took remarkable runs (plus collapses from Spurs) to secure 4th, they were never comfortable for getting there. Does that not signal a bit of a decline?

We're an investment of two billionaires. If I launched a takeover bid based on wholly fictional money and won, it wouldn't make a jot of difference to how the club is managed.

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These horrific capitulations against the top sides away are shocking. As much as I love the guy (and I'll defend him till I'm blue in the face) you have to say that Wenger is completely tactically naïve in these games, consistently sending his team out woefully under-prepared & set up in a fashion that invites the opposition to press us hard in midfield & break through our back line, with the full-backs nowhere to be seen & Arteta scrabbling around to try & protect our over-exposed centre-halves. We are so easy to play against it's not true. I respect & admire his adherence to attacking principles, but this is three times now in one fucking season when we've been embarrassed in the same way & it's become something of a joke.

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These horrific capitulations against the top sides away are shocking. As much as I love the guy (and I'll defend him till I'm blue in the face) you have to say that Wenger is completely tactically naïve in these games, consistently sending his team out woefully under-prepared & set up in a fashion that invites the opposition to press us hard in midfield & break through our back line, with the full-backs nowhere to be seen & Arteta scrabbling around to try & protect our over-exposed centre-halves. We are so easy to play against it's not true. I respect & admire his adherence to attacking principles, but this is three times now in one fucking season when we've been embarrassed in the same way & it's become something of a joke.

I'd +1000 this post if I could.

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