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Daley

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Yes we need the billionaires that own us, neither of whom have stated their intentions regarding Arsenal, to pump money into the club so we can pay the players even more. I don't think they earn enough and I can't see any problems with this plan.

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The Fox

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I don't know why people think that Song could handle a more attacking role. I can't imagine many players in his position could have worse pass completion/losing possession last season. Hitting one Hollywood through ball in ten doesn't make him Pirlo.

It's ok, he'll be off next summer anyway. Which would be ok, except we seem to no longer be fussed about M'Vila because he's seemingly a bit loopy. So I dunno what's going on there.

We're still a couple of players short really, aren't we. There's a big lack of creativity in midfield for one thing. We can't expect Rosicky to soldier on forever, especially as he's currently injured, and fuck knows what's up with Wilshere. We could use an alternative/future replacement for Song because Frimpong keeps breaking his knees and is far too raw anyway, and Coquelin is still learning the ropes. And now of course it seems like the club has been blindsided by Van Per$ie throwing his toys out of the pram, after they were seemingly planning on letting him run down his contract and releasing him at the end of next season on a Bosman. Which means we'll need another striker.

God, it's always the fucking same isn't it. :(

edit: oh and we need to replace Almunia, Fabianski and Mannone.

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The Fox

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There were numerous reports last week about us ending interest in M'Vila because of perceived attitude problems. He's in trouble with the French FA over shenanigans during Euro 2012, and he had some problems at Rennes last season too I believe.

I mean it could all be bollocks. Hell, we might never even have been interested in the first place, I dunno. There were rumours Bayern had a look at him and then thought better of it too.

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The worst thing here isn't so much that he wants to move on for bigger wages and a better chance of winning trophies, but that by refusing to extend his contract and then announcing his intention to the world he's pretty much ensured that the club won't be able to extract anywhere near full value from his sale, and consequently that they won't be able to properly rebuild the squad to challenge for trophies in the near future.

Ronaldo's move to Real is a good point of comparison.

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The Fox

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I'm not sure anyone here has a problem with him wanting to leave for more money and more chance of winning stuff. It's been on the cards for a while now. But burning all his bridges in a really sleazy, damaging, disrespectful way, just so the club can't hold him to his contract? Fuck that.

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cantonarv

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Are you able to write anything vaguely coherent? Intelligible maybe?

Ah yes when all real arguments fail pick on spelling. I was using my cell to type while walking instead of waiting to get home, but had to say something. Are you all in complete denial that your board are completely useless? You are on of the top clubs in the planet, have the most expensive stadium and tickets and you have Usmanov who said he would drop 100mil cash no questins asked to wenger, are not letting him on your board but your board are:

Gazidis, 47, is Arsenal's youngest director; Kroenke is 65 this month, Hill-Wood 76, Sir "Chips" Keswick 72, Lord Harris of Peckham 69 and the long-serving administrative stalwart Ken Friar is 78.

Yeah I am sure 65, 78, 72 and 69 year old are really want to invest and see the club win trophies? You can easily spend cash - its just wenger has done it very very badly when its a lot. As for your commercial income is a joke considering the worldwide appeal of Arsenal and their multinational squad. There are a lot of problems at Arsenal the main one being not being able to keep players and add experience to the club. See Pirlo, Scoles for examples of players that have given good experience to the youngsters.

Do you think that 8 years without a trophy would be expected at other major clubs? Of course noone at Arsneal who runs the clubs gives a fuck provided they are making millions - Wenger has made many people uber wealthy:

Alongside Hill-Wood pocketing £5.5m, the longstanding shareholder Richard Carr made more than £40m selling to Kroenke in 2009. Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who also inherited her Arsenal shares, made £116m selling them to Kroenke last year. Danny Fiszman, who bought into Arsenal in the 1990s, first with a portion of the former vice-chairman's David Dein's stake, made £160m, the final sale to Kroenke made just before Fiszman died last year

There is a lots of cash being made behind the scenes but unfortunately for you no one behind cares about trophies just making money.

But fuck real insight lets all booo the bad RvP

Have a read of

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jul/06/arsenal-progress-dysfunctional-owners

and tell me that Kroenke is not a greedy cunt, especially as his personal fortune is over 10billion. Now why would the club let someone buy theclub who has all this money then not spend it to improve/keep the squad? Of course you could try to take some moral high ground being self funded but when you are making millions and not reinvesting it into the club then that does not make sense.

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cantonarv

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cantonarv is like xyz's younger, even denser, brother. Just straight ignore him.

would be funny if your lasts posts were not childish ones about Girls Aloud, if you aint got anything to add go back to listen to your beieber cds.

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Art Vandelay

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I really hate it when fans of other clubs don't read this thread and then just shit their uninformed opinions about willy nilly. There's dozens of pages devoted to the subject of the ownership of the club if you'd have bothered to look - amazingly lots of people saying that having two owners, one of whom is financially throttling the place and the other who is advocating a Brewster's Millions-style spending spree, with neither of them willing to talk to each other, might not be the best thing ever. Interestingly none of that is why people are criticising Robin Van Persie. Or were we simply supposed to greet him back next season after being so disrespectful to the club that stood by him for years on end? After all, there's not a fan base in the world that would put up with being so openly treated like shit...

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... Anyway, moving on.

Denilson's gone on loan to wherever he was for another season. Seems kind of pointless, but I suppose there was literally no football team in the entire world willing to pay money for him, so we had no choice.

At least it means someone else is paying the majority of his weekly wage instead of us. It also means that it's another year of his contract spent elsewhere instead of embarrassing himself in an Arsenal shirt.

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toythatkills

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At least it means someone else is paying the majority of his weekly wage instead of us. It also means that it's another year of his contract spent elsewhere instead of embarrassing himself in an Arsenal shirt.

I would feel uncomfortable if they weren't paying his whole salary. He's never going to play for us again, let's face it, and if we can't get money for him why not just let him go on a free rather than paying him to wind his contract down and leave on a free anyway?

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Petrousgyre

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Ah yes when all real arguments fail pick on spelling.

I haven't made an argument and up until this post I wasn't aware you had either - it had nothing to do with your spelling, it was more that your post was entirely impenetrable.

Are you all in complete denial that your board are completely useless? You are on of the top clubs in the planet, have the most expensive stadium and tickets and you have Usmanov who said he would drop 100mil cash no questins asked to wenger, are not letting him on your board but your board are:

Gazidis, 47, is Arsenal's youngest director; Kroenke is 65 this month, Hill-Wood 76, Sir "Chips" Keswick 72, Lord Harris of Peckham 69 and the long-serving administrative stalwart Ken Friar is 78.

Yeah I am sure 65, 78, 72 and 69 year old are really want to invest and see the club win trophies?

It strikes me that you read Amy Lawrence's piece in the Guardian (certainly you've copy/pasted large chunks of it) and misunderstood the thrust of it. I'm not sure the age of the directors is relevant, Malcolm Glazer is 84, what are we to conclude about his ambition? Arsenal make a profit, bit of a rarity in football, to describe the board that have overseen that as 'completely useless' seems a little unreasonable.

You can easily spend cash - its just wenger has done it very very badly when its a lot.

Such as? Reyes is about the worst of Wengers expensive purchases and even he wasn't that bad - I can think of several purchases made by Chelsea, United, City, Liverpool etc that have been far more expensive that turned out far worse. You don't lend your argument any credibility when you come out with unmitigated tosh like this.

As for your commercial income is a joke considering the worldwide appeal of Arsenal and their multinational squad.

Well its hardly a 'joke' - it's not what it could be but much of the undervaluing of Arsenals commercials interests are tied into the stadium, long term deals were struck at lower than market value as Arsenal needed a fixed income during what was going to be an uncertain time. Those deals are coming to an end so you should start to see Arsenal make more money from those interests.

There are a lot of problems at Arsenal the main one being not being able to keep players and add experience to the club. See Pirlo, Scoles for examples of players that have given good experience to the youngsters.

Do you think that 8 years without a trophy would be expected at other major clubs? Of course noone at Arsneal who runs the clubs gives a fuck provided they are making millions - Wenger has made many people uber wealthy:

Alongside Hill-Wood pocketing £5.5m, the longstanding shareholder Richard Carr made more than £40m selling to Kroenke in 2009. Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, who also inherited her Arsenal shares, made £116m selling them to Kroenke last year. Danny Fiszman, who bought into Arsenal in the 1990s, first with a portion of the former vice-chairman's David Dein's stake, made £160m, the final sale to Kroenke made just before Fiszman died last year

There is a lots of cash being made behind the scenes but unfortunately for you no one behind cares about trophies just making money.

I'm not sure you've got much of a grasp of how shares work with publicly listed companies. How much of the money Magnier and McManus made selling their share of United to Glazer did they reinvest in the squad? Arsenal itself hasn't made much of a profit as, and I'm not sure if this escaped your attention, they built a stadium for £400 million - whilst this has hurt the club in the short term it hopefully cements our status as a 'big club', which prior to Wenger I wouldn't have said was guaranteed. Have a look at this little graph from wikipedia, it represents Arsenals finishes in the top flight of English football.

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The period of most sustained success has occured whilst we've built an extremely expensive stadium, and whilst the premiership has been at its most competitive. That this is meant to represent a failure somehow is bizarre in the extreme.

Lets be clear, I don't like this economic model - I'd rather clubs were owned by fans but that's not what's happened in the Premiership. Given all external factors I wouldn't change the manner in which Arsenal have gone about their business and I wouldn't swap the short term success some clubs have enjoyed with their associated debt for the tangible growth we've enjoyed.

But fuck real insight lets all booo the bad RvP

I'm not sure regurgitating Guardian articles badly counts as insight, and I didn't boo RVP, I wish him well.

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Or were we simply supposed to greet him back next season after being so disrespectful to the club that stood by him for years on end? After all, there's not a fan base in the world that would put up with being so openly treated like shit...

Erm, Manure fans, they where happy to take Rooney back after pimping himself to their local rivals citing lack of ambition in season or so back.

but I think that says more about them then us.

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Twitter rumour: Rumors that Arsenal have accepted a £13m bid for RVP plus DavidVilla. Should be announced in next 48 hours.

He does have injuries, that definitely adds credibility.

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Dude Ranch

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David Villa? Hmm. My wife said during the Euros.. where's that Spanish fella you hate?.. and the penny dropped that she meant Villa. I've never really liked him but I'm not sure why. Anyway, we need shot of RvP in double quick time and Villa is certainly world class when fit. I'll give that deal my blessing if it happens -_- .

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