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SeanR

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In answer to my Arteta question, and by my rough calculations:

With: W12, D3, L4

Without: W0, D1, L4

We haven't won a game in which Arteta hasn't played this season.

Edit: these are Premiership stats BTW.

I knew there was a reason why I immediately took a shine to Arteta...

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Petrousgyre

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Don't forget Coquelin, who was pretty excellent on Saturday, is actually a central midfielder when he isn't doing a pretty awesome impression of a right-back.

I agree. He's been doing a very impressive job at right back. He's full of energy & commitment for the whole 90 mins.

Left back.

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Steve007

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I'm pretty sure he was right back on Saturday but he has played left too in previous games. The boy is versatile.

He's our new Flamini. Let's hope he doesn't turn into a money focussed-backstabbing bastard as soon as he gets his first French cap.

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SeanR

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Fuck, if only any of us had ever been to see Arsenal play, then we too would be able to appreciate the majesty of King Walcott. As it is, we just don't get it.

to be fair, the last time I went we were still calling his name as SOON as he received the ball.

now, as I understand it, he has to score before the chanting starts, these days...

must be something in that...

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Dude Ranch

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Lol, I didn't mean it like that, I meant the ones who say he is shit and can't see because they aren't there.

I think we realised that. You see a different game at times when you're in the ground but you can't say he looks shit with the ball on telly and brilliant with the ball when you're sat at the Emirates. One would assume he'll make a certain number of runs off the ball but he doesn't do enough most weeks and you can see enough from your armchair to know what he's like. And people on here, me included, go or have gone to every game. You're not alone in going to an Arsenal match.

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The Fox

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So you were expecting RVP to come out and say "Yeah Theo's pretty shit, the fans are right to give him stick"? Come on.

Look he had a good game on Saturday, off the back of several poor ones in a row. If anything he's had an easier ride from the Emirates crowd than he deserves IMO, but lately people had been finally starting to lose patience with him en masse.

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Daley

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Theo was half decent before Xmas and has provided quite a few assist this season but personally I expect him to produce every week, not just when thrashing the 10 men of Blackburn. He's a first team regular, playing with the most in form striker in the league. If you can't make good things happen with RvP around you are in the wrong business.

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hercules

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People forget that if it wasn't for Walcott we wouldn't have been in the champions league as his goals in both games against udinese put us through. Like i keep saying you have to play to his strengths which is quick movement of the ball as he does have good movement but if the midfield aren't finding him you take most of his game away. I am forever seeing him with his arms aloft in acres of space waiting for a ball that 9/10 will not be played to him. RVP will appreciate him as like i posted the other day, check how many RVP goals are from a Walcott assist.

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Dude Ranch

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It's all well and good saying we need to play to his strengths, I've been saying that for some time, but you can't always put it on a plate for him. So many times you want him to get it and just fucking run but he rarely does. He's as guilty of not playing to his strengths as anyone. How many times does he get the ball, stop and pass it square? Fair enough having a really good game against ten man relegation fodder but he goes missing and if it's not going his way he doesn't exactly sweat blood trying to pull something out of the bag. Contrast him with Chamberlain against United, one of them was at it all game and the other hardly made any impact. He might stand waiting in space for the ball and wave his arms but boo hoo, he's not the only player in red and white. He does get the ball, he's not ignored. He needs to make things happen himself.

Fair enough, he's playing out of position. He's not really though, is he? That's where he's always played for us. He played wide for Southampton and also a bit through the middle. As a kid in a lower division. We can't just pander to where he thinks he wants to play. He needs to take responsibility more. He really could be top drawer but he doesn't seem to want it enough or maybe he still doesn't trust himself. No-one can say hand on heart that he's got near the level we all expected, in a prolonged spell.

As for RvP, what else is he going to say? Do you really not look at Theo and think he should be doing more every week?

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Lucky

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Found this somewhere.

Interesting.

Tells us what we already know I suppose about RVP. That is that he is totally on fire.

Also, Walcott does get a very decent number of assists. Gervinho, Ramsey and especially Song also contribute.

The next best after these is Arshavin :o

Bit suprised to see Arteta only has one assist. Maybe he does the old Hleb manouvre of assisting the assisterer.

RvP: Goals: 28 Assists: 9 Total: 37

Walcott: Goals: 6 Assists: 10 Total: 16

Gervinho: Goals: 4 Assists: 6 Total: 10

Song: Goals: 1 Assists: 8 Total: 9

Ramsey: Goals: 2 Assists: 6 Total: 8

Chamberlain: Goals: 4 Assists: 1 Total: 5

Arteta: Goals: 4 Assists: 1 Total: 5

Benayoun: Goals: 3 Assists: 2 Total: 5

Vermaelen: Goals: 3 Assists: 2 Total: 5

Arshavin: Goals: 2 Assists: 3 Total: 5

Koscielny: Goals: 1 Assist: 2 Total: 3

Henry: Goals: 2 Total: 2

Santos: Goals: 2 Total: 2

Chamakh: Goals: 1 Assists: 1 Total: 2

Jenkinson: Assists: 2 Total: 2

Sagna: Assists: 2 Total: 2

Park: Goals: 1 Total: 1

Gibbs: Goals: 1 Total: 1

Ozyakup: Assists: 1 Total: 1

Coquelin: Assists: 1 Total: 1

Rosicky: Assists: 1 Total: 1

Frimpong: Assists: 1 Total: 1

Djourou: Assists: 1 Total: 1

Seriously scary that after RVP's tally of 28 goals, Walcott is next up with 6.

I don't know what we would do if.................you know......................I can't say it...............way too scary to even think about.

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dogsout

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@Dude Ranch:

I think he absolutely is playing out of position, and I remember saying as much in here years ago now. He just doesn't have ability enough on the ball - comparing him to Oxlade-Chamberlain is futile. One is a winger with good ball control and technique, the other can run really fast and find and exploit space behind defences. He can't play as a striker for Arsenal because the system doesn't allow it and you've got better players in that position. He can be useful from the wing, but even in his good games he doesn't look right there. He doesn't look like he knows what to do with the ball, he doesn't look like he has any faith in his ability to take players on unless he's receiving the ball on the run with space to move into. You lot may all laugh at this but I'd take him at Liverpool as a striker in a 4-4-2. I do agree with the view that the midfield is slow to release the ball and it hurts Walcott's game, but I also think playing it faster out of midfield would diminish your play a lot more than Walcott getting better service would improve it.

I just think he doesn't really fit in at Arsenal in terms of where the squad is headed, and his own personal development. I reckon a move away would probably be beneficial to the player and wouldn't really hurt the club at all. That's my view from the outside, anyway.

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humdrum

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Theo was half decent before Xmas and has provided quite a few assist this season but personally I expect him to produce every week, not just when thrashing the 10 men of Blackburn. He's a first team regular, playing with the most in form striker in the league. If you can't make good things happen with RvP around you are in the wrong business.

Not really fair, he already had two assists and put us in a commanding lead, before they where reduced to 10 men, it's not like he did nothing up until the sending off then started playing.

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Dude Ranch

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I think he absolutely is playing out of position, and I remember saying as much in here years ago now. He just doesn't have ability enough on the ball - comparing him to Oxlade-Chamberlain is futile. One is a winger with good ball control and technique, the other can run really fast and find and exploit space behind defences. He can't play as a striker for Arsenal because the system doesn't allow it and you've got better players in that position. He can be useful from the wing, but even in his good games he doesn't look right there. He doesn't look like he knows what to do with the ball, he doesn't look like he has any faith in his ability to take players on unless he's receiving the ball on the run with space to move into. You lot may all laugh at this but I'd take him at Liverpool as a striker in a 4-4-2.

Well, this is the thing. He may well be playing out of position in terms of where he wants to play and the age old belief that Wenger will convert him into a striker. But he's always played wide for us. For years and he's not come on like you would have hoped. He can either mope at not getting the ball exactly on his toe and dream of playing number 9 or he can knuckle down and really go for it. We've seen him do it, he's quick, he has a finish and a final ball but not often enough. Sometimes he just looks lost, I don't see how that would change if he played up front.

It seems odd to have this discussion on the back of Blackburn and the stats Lucky has posted up there do look good. I just want more from him, I believe he should be doing more. Quite often he's a waste of space.

Oh yeah, and you mention that we've got better players up front than Walcott. We've got one. RvP and that's it!

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hercules

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@Dude Ranch.

I agree that at times Walcott could do more, but then i could say that about alot of our players. Ramsey has been pretty rubbish recently (probably due to playing so many games) but yet not alot is said about this. It is also not a case of Wenger converting walcott to a striker as when he bought him he was playing as a striker for southampton. As the stats show, walcott is having a good season and if anyhting, given the advanced role Ramsey plays he should be scoring and getting more assists. i don't care that RVP is so far ahead in the scoring charts as this is down to the players around him providing him with the chances.

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