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The Fox

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If it's any consolation I've been thinking that too. Ramsey got exactly the right treatment instantly, Wilshere clearly didn't and I think that is probably a very bad thing for the long-term.

To be fair the treatment for a snapped shin is pretty obvious compared to a tricksy ankle problem.

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To be fair the treatment for a snapped shin is pretty obvious compared to a tricksy ankle problem.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Even though Ramsey's might have been more career threatening the second it happened he was always getting the best possible care.

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I don't really have any doubt they've treated him correctly. It's an ankle injury not a quadruple bypass.

If anything, I could see Jack chomping at the bit to get out there, or pushing his rehab too hard.

As far as my recollection of it goes was he got injured on international duty, went on holiday for a month, came back, got inured against New York, spent a month out and then had surgery. That really doesn't sound like the right treatment to me. That sounds like they messed it up quite seriously.

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Yeah, that's what I mean. Even though Ramsey's might have been more career threatening the second it happened he was always getting the best possible care.

That's not really true though is it. Anything involving a joint is a potential minefield, while Ramsey's injury, though obviously serious, was ultimately a simple case of waiting for his bone to heal. It's not a complex injury at all.

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Now confirmed by Arsene:

He has had a little setback that is under investigation at the moment so I cannot give you how long he will be out for. At the moment he is seeing a specialist and as soon as we know more we will communicate. It sets him back a little bit but for how long I don't know. It is the same foot but a different problem to the injury he had surgery on back in September. But is it an inflammation? We have to wait a little bit.

See you next season Jack.

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Hehe, quite the optimist mate.

This is just 9 days after this.

Jack Wilshere is scheduled to return to full training at Arsenal next week, with Arsène Wenger fighting to rein in the midfielder's exuberance and his desperation to make a prompt playing comeback.

The manager has, more recently, brought that estimate forward. The medics have found themselves under pressure. But they have come to consider Wilshere as a "medical miracle," because of how quickly his body has healed.

What has cheered them most is that the bone, or the injury site, is clear and there is little risk of related muscular problems. But caution in the final stretch will be the watchword, as Wilshere prepares to reintegrate work with the ball in training after the team's home fixture against Manchester United on Sunday.

Seriously either we have players made of glass, the worst medical team in the world or have the most shocking luck it is possible to have.

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Dude Ranch

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Seriously either we have players made of glass, the worst medical team in the world or have the most shocking luck it is possible to have.

Well, when you read things like this..

He had originally hoped the injury would heal itself with the help of a protective boot, but he was forced to undergo an operation.

..and you ask how a crack medical team bought into this whole 'hoping it would heal itself' idea :unsure: . Obviously an operation is the last resort but wouldn't you expect them to have known to do it immediately? It can't have made it worse or lengthened the rehabilitation time, surely.

I do think luck is against us again. But we do seem to be constantly questioning the medical side.

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I think this is a bit harsh. Surely it's perfectly reasonable to expect a hairline fracture to heal itself with protection and rest?

People are constantly questioning the medical staff and I've done it myself before, but really it's pretty pointless because we know fuck all about fuck all and really it's just looking for scapegoats.

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I think this is a bit harsh. Surely it's perfectly reasonable to expect a hairline fracture to heal itself with protection and rest?

People are constantly questioning the medical staff and I've done it myself before, but really it's pretty pointless because we know fuck all about fuck all and really it's just looking for scapegoats.

Look just because I don't know what I am talking about doesn't mean I can't go running my mouth on forums and Twitter and down the pub talking about things I have little detail of or proffesional knowledge of.

You're right of course. I'm just annoyed that little bastard is not gonna be running around in the red and white anytime soon and the fact that when fit (lol) we actually have a decent first 11.

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Dude Ranch

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Could it possibly be the ground/turf they are training on?

All the pitches are notoriously hard, that's been said for years. It can't really help.

I know we do a lot in terms of conditioning etc. but I think you're all being generous to discount the medical staff as a problem. It's hard to know for sure but years of injuries says something.

I also think that with Wilshere to stick a boot on it and hope it clears up, then operate ages down the line, then declare him a medical miracle for recovering so quickly and then see him immediately break down is odd to say the least.

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All the pitches are notoriously hard, that's been said for years. It can't really help.

I know we do a lot in terms of conditioning etc. but I think you're all being generous to discount the medical staff as a problem. It's hard to know for sure but years of injuries says something.

I also think that with Wilshere to stick a boot on it and hope it clears up, then operate ages down the line, then declare him a medical miracle for recovering so quickly and then see him immediately break down is odd to say the least.

When you say 'all the pitches', do you mean pitches in the premiership or pitches at Emirates and Arsenal facilities?

Yes, very odd about the medical miracle comment. I think they stuck him in a boot because ideally, you don't want to put someone under anaesthetic (each time you go under anaesthetic, your risk increases) and cut them up, if you don't have to.

For all we know, they may have presented Jack with two options and he chose the moon boot because he's afraid of hospitals or something. There's too much we don't know and will probably never be privy to.

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When you say 'all the pitches', do you mean pitches in the premiership or pitches at Emirates and Arsenal facilities?

Sorry, at the training ground. As far as I know they replicate various conditions on different pitches but they're all said to be particularly hard. I'm fairly sure I've heard Wenger talk about it.

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Bench is pretty strong today, Szcz, Sagna, Arteta, Henry, etc. Nice to see Sagna back, I think getting a stable, balanced defence back probably ranks above even Wilshere right now.

Ranks well above Wilshere - the midfield 3 has been strong this season, Arteta's very reliable

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Why do ESPN always insist on putting a mic next to some random twat fan and then let you hear it in a surround speaker the whole game, one of the benefits of watching in tv is not having to hear somebody (other than the pundit/commentator) talking shite all game long.

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