Pvp Tales

[Kiwi Cake]

It's just a game you happy little bunnies.

If calling me a "cunt" and a "twat" here makes you feel better, fine.

Doesn't change the fact I pwned you 1 vs. 3...

Bring fair numbers to TM and you might just get a fair fight. Otherwise I'll just have to thin the flock any way I can 

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Wow, you ganked a few people 10-15 levels lower than you who were low on health and mana, then ran away at the first sign of a challenge. Now that's a real pwning.

And what's this nonsense about bringing equal numbers? Why don't the Horde bring more people if they're outnumbered? You can't use the fact that your side doesn't have the numbers as an excuse to gank people and ruin their gaming experience. I find that a cuntish thing to do, hence why people are calling you a cunt.

Besides, there were more than enough Horde there last night (we were even outnumbered for awhile) and it was a pretty equal battle all in all. You were ganking because you that's what you wanted to do, which is being cuntish once again.

[Bojangle]

I can assure you other alliance rogues are not as squemish as you. They also like to roam in packs of two or three and attack single targets out of sight of the main battle groups.

So because a couple of Rogues behave like that, every Rogue should?

If you see a Horde at half health, do you not attack him/her?

I wouldn't actually, no. If they attacked me, then I'd fight back. Last night you were attacking people with the smallest bits of health left, a good few levels lower than you.

If you see a Horde fighting someone else, do you not attack him/her?

Depends. If they were fighting guards, no I wouldn't. Wheres the honour in that? Where's the fun in that? I'm sure a player not attacking anyone is a much bigger threat, so I'd look for someone who is 'free'.

If you find 20 Horde defending TM, do you only bring about 20 to attack? (of course, there's no real way to prevent people from joining)

Hmm, not sure where your going with this or why you brought it up. Our 'raid' group last night consisted of 10 guild members. Like you said, we can't stop other Alliance folk going to Tarren Mill.

Are you being a hypocrite?

Most definitely not. Just pointing out the fact that you acted like a complete and utter cunt last night.

What you're actually whining about is my use of Stealth to kill my targets, and you really should know better.

No, once again. I'm 'whining' about you shitty 'technique' of waiting in stealth for someone to start fighting guards, or to get seperated from the main group, then attacking. Regardless of level.

Sorry, didn't see you. Was I fighting someone, or had I just been fighting someone? Probably, otherwise I wouldn't have been out of stealth.

You'd just finished using a bandage if I remember correctly. I actually waited for you to regain HP.

And seriously, how was I supposed to know you had told your party not to attack me?

You wasn't, just thought I'd point it out, as I'll do the same in the future. I'll hope you do to.

[fragglerock]

Doesn't change the fact I pwned you 1 vs. 3...

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you 'pwned' me 1+10deathguards vs 1 at 1/10th health.

I am so impressed!

you got me again as i hearthed out (which is pretty shitty but I suppose the "near TM" rule applied) I was pretty happy that from rez (ie unbuffed and with 1/2 health/mana) I managed to pull you down to 50% health. you are level ?? to me.

What rank have you managed to achieve thru these easy kills?

[Huggybear]

Yesterday:

51 kills.

2415 CP.

An average of 47 Cp/kill (I wasn't in any group)

Judge for yourselves.

You'd just finished using a bandage if I remember correctly. I actually waited for you to regain HP.

Where was this? I only remember bandaging inside the barn, and once when I was fighting a lvl 60 druid (missed my Kidney Shot, he went Bear Form and it took me ages to kill him because he was turning his Rage into Health), Blinded him and started bandaging only to have a lvl 58 warrior Charge me from out of nowhere. Finished the druid and ran like hell

Can't wait for Battlegrounds, least we'll get rid of this level difference problem.

[fragglerock]

The thing is that we all expect ganking twats in PvP, and there is probably no way of avoiding them or having game mechanics remove them without making the whole event pretty sterile.

The real problem here is that the assumption is that people from this forum are relatively mature and likely to attempt to enhance a gaming experience, so to have the ganker from here is a bit... shaming.

[scruffycat]

I wouldn't actually, no.  If they attacked me, then I'd fight back.  Last night you were attacking people with the smallest bits of health left, a good few levels lower than you.

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It didn't stop you from attacking me at Hammerfall while I was below half health and engaged in a fight with someone else and most importantly 13 levels below you though.

[Bojangle]

It didn't stop you from attacking me at Hammerfall while I was below half health and engaged in a fight with someone else and most importantly 13 levels below you though.

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I don't remember attacking you once. I remember seeing you have a fight with Immi, and I stayed back.

Ha, you didn't manage to mess me up last night at Hammerfall! (Only because I ran as soon as I was able too)

[The Grand Pursuivant]

God, not only are you alliance getting your knickers in a twist, but you're also hypocrits. The amount of times I've been killed by members of the Order of Rllmuk at Tarren Mill who were high above my level AND killed me when I was on half health is too many for me to even bother remembering.

The fact is, if you have PvP enabled, and you're near a battle, you're fair game, regardless of level, health or mana.

As far as I'm concerned, the only exception to this rule is camping a graveyard and staying blue until you see someone on low health, then attacking them. Jazzbo did neither of these things, I have never seen anyone from the Order of Rllmuk do these things. So please, quit your whining.

[scruffycat]

I don't remember attacking you once.     I remember seeing you have a fight with Immi, and I stayed back.

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That was a different fight, the other quote of mine you used was refering to the fight I meant. It was up on the hill at the left side of the entrance (If I remember correctly) I escaped by jumping over the side when I was unstunned into the thick of the battle. I assumed you just lost track of me because I was out of sight for a second and I hit sprint in mid-air, landed running fast. I ended up with 3 health left!

[Terria]

As far as I'm concerned, the only exception to this rule is camping a graveyard and staying blue until you see someone on low health, then attacking them. Jazzbo did neither of these things, I have never seen anyone from the Order of Rllmuk do these things. So please, quit your whining.

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The man speaks truth. Though this whole thing's came about cause of Huggybear bitching about rogues stealthing up and attacknig him when he's not full health then he does the same. I couldn't give a toss though, I look at it as any target's viable in

PvP warfare. I just don't like extra-cheap people in duels.

*remembers many of the rulers own players using engineering gadgets in duels against me*

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[The Grand Pursuivant]

The man speaks truth. Though this whole thing's came about cause of Huggybear bitching about rogues stealthing up and attacknig him when he's not full health then he does the same. I couldn't give a toss though, I look at it as any target's viable in

PvP warfare. I just don't like extra-cheap people in duels.

*remembers many of the rulers own players using engineering gadgets in duels against me*

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Except that the rogue that was stealthing him wasn't PvP enabled. That's a cuntish thing to do. Huggybear/Jazzbo hasn't done that. Everybody's crying over spilt milk.

End of.

[Aleph]

I posted this in the other thread (Kill List) But i think it has validity here as well.

"Sooner or later, i hope that people will understand and accept the following things:

1) the (dis)honor system is flawed not by the nature of the system, but the nature of the players in the game.

2) People will not play by the rules governing etiquete all of the time. People will attack from the blue. People will mob lowbies. This won't change, ever.

3) LOOK at the system which governs PvP. The rewards are for advanced Chars. Unfortunately it means that you have to be of a suitable level to take part. I'd be fucked trying to run Strathholme or Dire Maul solo at lvl 20, THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE MAJORITY OF PVP.

Accept these facts please. I may be called a Elitist or whatever, but i think we know the truth. You step into the arena in STV and see a 60 in there and you're lvl 30, you get the fuck out or accept the beatdown. Welcome to PvP in WoW."

Quite frankly, When i turn PvP on i accept everything as fair. If i get ganked, so be it. If i cut down a grey who's decided to run away after dotting me for a minute thinking that "Honor" will save him, tough shit.

Rogues are powerful in PvP but they need to use their abilities to their fullest. A mage wouldn't go into battle without mana, neither would a Rogue go in without stealth. For this they get accused of ganking, ESPECIALLY when they're working alone. I never really group in PvP because i understand that No-one's coming to heal me or save my ass when the shit goes bad. I have to work around the edges to get kills, because when compared to every other melee fighter IN THE GAME We have low armour and Low health. Even fighting people of the same level, who are fully prepared one on one causes a zerg rush on me from the opposition. Running into and fighting ten man raid squads causes us to die, quickly.

Live with it. Accept it. Cease the whining from both sides, please.

One love yo.

Edit - JL, you're very right, you never did and have altered post.

[revol]

No no no.

Whether you are allowed to do something or not, matters not. The act of ganking low level players, who are low on HP is cuntish behaviour. That was what Jazzbo was doing for most of the fight, and therefore people are allowed to pull him up on it. He was picking off resting/hearthing/Deathguard-mobbed/low-level players, and sod all else, which ruins the whole experience for players and shows him up to be a poor PvP player.

I could go gank Horde lowbies now if I wanted, but I am a better player than that, and it just isn't good PvP. It ruins the game for those wanting decent fights and decent challenges.

[Guest JamesLee]

"ten man gank squads"

I never called it that, you filthy wee liar!

And we're not a gank squad, I was exaggerating for funnies.

[The Grand Pursuivant]

No no no.

Whether you are allowed to do something or not, matters not. The act of ganking low level players, who are low on HP is cuntish behaviour. That was what Jazzbo was doing for most of the fight, and therefore people are allowed to pull him up on it.

I could go gank Horde lowbies now if I wanted, but I am a better player than that, and it just isn't good PvP. It ruins the game for those wanting decent fights and decent challenges.

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No. They went to Tarren Mill to fight. They had their PvP enabled. They are fair game. It's as simple as that. If they were stupid enough to get themselves into the situation whereby they had to run, or got themselves attacked by guards, then it's their own fault.

[Aleph]

"ten man gank squads"

I never called it that, you filthy wee liar!

And we're not a gank squad, I was exaggerating for funnies.

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You're very right and have edited for accuracy.

[Kiwi Cake]

No. They went to Tarren Mill to fight. They had their PvP enabled. They are fair game. It's as simple as that. If they were stupid enough to get themselves into the situation whereby they had to run, or got themselves attacked by guards, then it's their own fault.

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I find this attitude disappointing and, to be honest, shocking.

How anyone could condone the active targeting and killing of low level players above worthwhile targets is beyond me, but if you want your side targeting low levels instead of that level 60 about to pound your face in then that's fine by me. You get sod all out of it save the knowledge that you've ruined someones night.

How nice you are.

[The Grand Pursuivant]

I find this attitude disappointing and, to be honest, shocking.

How anyone could condone the active targeting and killing of low level players above worthwhile targets is beyond me, but if you want your side targeting low levels instead of that level 60 about to pound your face in then that's fine by me. You get sod all out of it save the knowledge that you've ruined someones night.

How nice you are.

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If I see some low level running away from a battle the first thing I'd think is

"He's going to go and get some mates to gank me."

One way to stop him pointing them in my direction? Kill him. When you enable PvP you're declaring an act of war. War isn't fair. Get over it.

EDIT- And if anyone goes to Tarren Mill with PvP enabled and has their night ruined by dying then they need to go and play a different game.

[Suizid]

ANYWAY, we were talking about good stories. So here are two of mine.

My first experience with PvP was outside the Warsong lumber camp; a pally two levels above me was fighting with the guards wandering the road there. I thought, "bloody cheek!" and attacked him; he beat me down after I wasted all my mana on his shield.

So I carried on hunting for the outrunner I was looking for (the warsong reports quest), and found the guy dead again (at the hands of the pally no doubt). So, I see red, head back to the lumber camp, and sure enough, there he is.

The first thing I do is silence him - no more shield for the next six seconds, thank you - and he runs at me; i'm shielded, and have time to mind control the bugger. So I walk him smack bang into the camp, release control, and let the guards finish him off.

The other one happened a couple of days ago. I was in the water at Booty Bay (after swimming out to see the giant on Janeiro Isle), PvP enabled as usual, and got a moonfire from somewhere - I look around, and see an elf 5-6 levels below me trying it on. So, I DoT her with Shadow Word: Pain and Devouring Plague, hit her with a Mind Blast, and leave the DoTs to do their stuff. She makes it to the pier without dying, then promptly collapses.

I needed to go to Ratchet to hand a quest in, so waited on the pier for the ship. Again I get hit with moonfire, but this time she's on the pier - the bruisers were NOT happy, and showed her so.

So the ship arrives, and she comes back just in time to get on. I'm sat on the top deck, and she pokes her head up. Then she starts to buff herself; a fight is coming, she thinks, but i'm happy to sit there. She eyes me up for a second or two, then starts to cast against me; I shield, mind control her, and dump her into the sea.

She never did come to ratchet.

[Guest JamesLee]

I love the mind control stories. Aceness

[Suizid]

It's even better when you turn a warlock or hunter against their pets. It feels so cruel! Bwahaha! I can almost picture the hurt look of betrayal on their faces.

*cough*

[fragglerock]

I love the mind control stories. Aceness

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I need to try it out in pvp more! I don't think i have ever used it!

[Huggybear]

I could go gank Horde lowbies now if I wanted, but I am a better player than that, and it just isn't good PvP. It ruins the game for those wanting decent fights and decent challenges.

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"Decent fights and decent challenges"?! Give me a break. Is it very challenging to push the Shoot button with 20 others every time someone comes in range? Is it a "decent fight"? Give me a fucking break!

You know what ruins my PvP experience? When I'm fighting as a part of the raid group, whenever I come out of stealth to melee someone, ten seconds later I'm on the fast lane to the grave yard. Wing Clipped, Scorpion Stinged, Hunter's Marked, Combusted, what have you.

You, the Hunters, are the masters on long range combat. I, the rogue, am a master of in your face melee combat.

You, the Hunters, can just sit back and shoot at the incoming enemy melee classes all night long without putting yourself in any kind of real danger.

I, the Rogue, have Stealth, and can do lots of melee damage, but I share the weakest armor in the game with the cloth classes (with their class buffs they have similar AC). Even caster druids have more armor buffed! And since we have no healing skills and can't remove curses DoT's are usually enough to kill us even if we do manage to run away after hitting the target once.

Because I don't much enjoy getting ganked by the ranged classes all night long, I have adapted. My PvP survival rate is above 80%, the average lvl of my victims is 52, and I'm having fun.

I'm sure you don't enjoy getting ganked by me, so do your best to adapt and use your class abilities to kill me and my fellow rogues. You have all the necessary tools in your disposal, learn to use them.

If you have an issue with lvl 60s occasionally killing you (I don't normally kill grays for fun, only if they've taken part in killing me before, or if they pose a threat. Honorable Kills are all fair game to me, regardless of level), I suggest you stop farming for Honor Kills in Tarren Mill and go level up.

PS. And a little hint to you alliance people. Don't attack civilian NPCs, that's what triggers the hordes of guards that come running out.

[PopeSmokesDope]

So, tonight, I just got off the zep and i'm running into UC, I get to the throne room and what do I see? A lvl 51 Dwarf pally with Pvp on and his back to me...

So out comes my pet, dot's go on and I fear him... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Wtf was he thinking????????

Crazy

[revol]

"Decent fights and decent challenges"?! Give me a break. Is it very challenging to push the Shoot button with 20 others every time someone comes in range? Is it a "decent fight"? Give me a fucking break!

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How narrow minded of you. Don't make assumptions on classes you obviously know nothing about. But keep on making comments like this, it's great entertainment.

You know what ruins my PvP experience? When I'm fighting as a part of the raid group, whenever I come out of stealth to melee someone, ten seconds later I'm on the fast lane to the grave yard. Wing Clipped, Scorpion Stinged, Hunter's Marked, Combusted, what have you.

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What has this got to do with anything? You switching your defence to attacking ranged-attack players hitting on you now? Don't stop at Hunter's, group in Mages, Priests and Warlocks too while you are there. Or are you saying you hate the way when you come out of stealth you get attacked?

You, the Hunters, can just sit back and shoot at the incoming enemy melee classes all night long without putting yourself in any kind of real danger.

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Another assumption. I personally, like to get in there and lay a trap when possible. I could stand back and fire arrows, but you see, when I'm close enough to attack the Horde with my bow, they are close enough to fire back, or shoot a spell at me. For the record, Hunter's have crappy defence, and will go down fairly quickly. Leading onto...

I, the Rogue, have Stealth, and can do lots of melee damage, but I share the weakest armor in the game with the cloth classes (with their class buffs they have similar AC). Even caster druids have more armor buffed! And since we have no healing skills and can't remove curses DoT's are usually enough to kill us even if we do manage to run away after hitting the target once.

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Think it's any different for Hunter's?

the average lvl of my victims is 52,

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Certainly wasn't yesterday.

I'm sure you don't enjoy getting ganked by me, so do your best to adapt and use your class abilities to kill me and my fellow rogues. You have all the necessary tools in your disposal, learn to use them.

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Don't tell me how to do my job. I am perfectly fine tackling people within my level range, just not defending myself against a level 60 ganking Rogue. And don't drag other Rogues down to your level, I've had some excellant encounters with them.

If you have an issue with lvl 60s occasionally killing you (I don't normally kill grays for fun, only if they've taken part in killing me before, or if they pose a threat. Honorable Kills are all fair game to me, regardless of level), I suggest you stop farming for Honor Kills in Tarren Mill and go level up.

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Keep it coming. That (last night) was my first time PvPing properly, so you've never encountered me before then. First time I saw you, I had barely just won a one-on-one with a level 50 Deathguard, and you decided to un-stealth and gank me. And I'm not exactly sure how much of a threat I am at 15 levels lower than you, I assume almost everything would be resisted.

And what is with that last sentance? If you aren't in a position to defend yourself against a level 60 don't PvP at Tarren Mill? Sorry, last time I looked PvP didn't have a minimum level for it to be exciting. And there was a healthy population of level 40-50 Horde there yesterday, which I had great fun engaging combat with.

Anyway, I'm sure to be back PvPing very soon, it was on the whole a great experience. And I'm not going to drag on this sorry event any more, I've said what I needed to say.

[Huggybear]

[bcofn]

To be fair I do agree with Huggybear to an extent. On a pvp server it might not be so bad for rogues as we are a class built for 1v1 pvp and would mean that we could pick on one anytime. On a pve server life for a rogue I find is very much different.

Due to pvp only being enabled for raid warfare I find that 90% of my time is spent hiding in a bush with stealth on. The times I do go out to attack someone I have about a 10 second lifespan before the other horde players all turn around and twat me.

Why is this then? Well, what huggybear says is very true. Raids at TM so far have consisted of Hunters, mages, priests, druids, shamans and warlocks standing about 30-40 yards apart and throwing fireballs (or whatever their equivalent) backwards and forwards and pretty much leaving the melee classes useless.

Someone in the raid on Tuesday night asked why Warriors keep doig suicidal charges into the enemy. Well I don't know if they saw my reply (I was doing a lot of whining that night) but i'll repeat it here. It's very frustrating for players that have just a melee class character that have gone to pvp because for the most part it's very difficult for them to gain honour points. Every fight decends into a firefight so the only choice these fighters have is to rush into the enemy and hope that they can get a kill or score some points before they are brought down.

There was 2 moments for me in the fight on tuesday night that were fantastic. The first was killing a lvl 60 mage that had ventured too far out in front of the rest of the horde mob. The second was for the first time I have ever seen, the fight broke down into a kind of running battle with pockets of alliance and horde spread out between TM and the tower. At this point I managed to bring down 4 lvl 60's pretty much on my own without getting zerged for once and it was good (note, not just my rogue, but it was good for the other melee fighters too).

I have seen both warriors and paladins complain about pvp before and the feeling of them not being any good and I can really understand it. Personally I've always thought paladins should be one of the most interesting group pvp classes in the game (they are a class built for supporting the warriors and rogues in the fight up close with healing and buffs etc), however as i've mentioned tactics and stratagy are totally ignored in most pvp combat that i've seen, and I really hope that battlegrounds (and other enhancements) will change the way mass combat is played.

Of course the difference between Jazzbo and I is that I have about a 20% survival rate and the average level of my targets is about 59

[PopeSmokesDope]

I was very nice last night...

I was in Arathi solo'ing Forzuk and I saw a fair few Alliance with pvp on... I had quite a laugh following them, and most of them were a lot lower than me, on my horse, watchign them stop and just waving at them and riding off.... they must have been bricking it!

[pretentious_helvetica]

I'm going to start PvPing properly when I hit 60. I was in Desolace last night and walked up behind a lvl 37 pvp bloke who I could of took on, but couldn't be arsed because I was busy questing. PvP for me kind of left a nasty taste in my mouth when a PvP battle was going on behind me and some stupid lower level Alliance elf thought he could take on a higher undead character. He was higher in level than me anyway, so when this guy dies and I only just notice this when on my travels, he whispers "Coward!" to me. For fuck's sake, I'm busy questing. Fuck off.

I kind to like to think that PvP should just belong in the PvP servers, because I can always tell when PvP or any raid is happening because my connection suddenly lags up. Grr.

[Bojangle]

At least I have the decency to take people on 1 vs. 1. (or 1 vs. 2 or 3).

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Sure about that?