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acidbearboy

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I echo the comments about the PS2 struggling with this. Many a time while playing I thought to myself "I wish this was on the Xbox". When you're escaping into such a beautiful other world like the land of Colossus, it's dissapointing when technical limitations spoil the illusion.

I finished the game a while back and think the EDGE review was pretty spot-on. For all it's faults, and there are many, it's still an outstanding game. The atmosphere it creates just about manages to cover up the faults, you know they are there but they are ignorable.

I played through Ico at the weekend, well for a few hours - up to the Water Tower out past the Gondola. I still think it's an amazing game, it's so complete in its design and execution. I must admit that the fighting is starting to grate a little more this time though. How I wish they would release a PAL boxset of Ico and Colossus with a new 'no combat' mode in Ico.......

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Rudderless

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So, Canton, (and anyone else that's finished it), what do you think the ending was all about?

Spoiler your reply, obviously.

Well, basically: (spoilers for Colossus AND Ico)

I think that the baby is an ancestor of Ico, and that the Queen in Ico is probably some other iteration of Dormin (or possibly even the girl who is awakened - I'm going to play both games again to try and decide). I think some people could think that the baby IS Ico, but I don't think that's the case. In Ico, they obviously think that boys with horns are somehow reincarnations of Dormin, hence them being banished as they are.

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posted this earlier in the thread:

here goes:

Ico is the "sequel" to Shadow

Not a direct sequel as such. more a spiritual one. (like all the zeldas. Different link, zelda, ganon but essentially same)

At the end of Shadow the priest guy sais "I hope one you will atone for your sins if your still alive" (or something like that)

Then you see wander as the baby with the horns.

Generations later Ico is born and eventually taken to the castle, saves yorda and destorys the queen.

i.e.

Queen = Dormin

Ico = Wander

Yorda = Mono

Wander starts the curse/taint of Dormin

Ico "ends" it and atones for wanders sins.

So you could say Shadow and Ico are the prologue and epilogue to one really long story which has the boring bit cut out :)

oh and people who think the baby is Ico need spanner to the head.... (Assuming they have played ICO)

What you think?

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Cacophanus

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posted this earlier in the thread:

here goes:

Ico is the "sequel" to Shadow

Not a direct sequel as such. more a spiritual one. (like all the zeldas. Different link, zelda, ganon but essentially same)

At the end of Shadow the priest guy sais "I hope one you will atone for your sins if your still alive" (or something like that)

Then you see wander as the baby with the horns.

Generations later Ico is born and eventually taken to the castle, saves yorda and destorys the queen.

i.e.

Queen = Dormin

Ico = Wander

Yorda = Mono

Wander starts the curse/taint of Dormin

Ico "ends" it and atones for wanders sins.

So you could say Shadow and Ico are the prologue and epilogue to one really long story which has the boring bit cut out  :)

oh and people who think the baby is Ico need spanner to the head.... (Assuming they have played ICO)

What you think?

Except that the curse of Dormin was started before Wanda even got there. After all you have to defeat the colossi in order to unify he/she/it. We have yet to find out what Dormin actually is though.

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Except that the curse of Dormin was started before Wanda even got there. After all you have to defeat the colossi in order to unify he/she/it. We have yet to find out what Dormin actually is though.

the theme of the next Ueda game perhaps? Where Dormin comes from/how he gets trapped inside the colossi?

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McMond

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Long rambling that may make no sense contained within.

At the end doesn't Dormin possess Wander? Who for some reason has appeared with Horns. Then he get's sucked into that portal and we end up with a new born baby with Horns. This leads me to believe that the baby with horns is in fact Dormin reborn (plus any all children with horns since).

This doesn't explain what it is that takes over Mono, but if you listen to Dormins voice that speaks to you after killing each collosi, it was both a male and a female voice speaking over each other. Maybe an essence of Dormin was put inside both Mono and Wander (you know, all that for all evil in the universe, there must be good to balance it out shis'nit). You Dormin is like and Dark.

This then leads onto Ico, where I think the queen is the same essence that took over Mono's body in SoTC (as we know she is holding the girl so she can use her body to extend her own life as her/its current body is not useful anymore). Then all she has done for generations is sit on her throne, making sure any boys with Horns are killed as not to waken Dormin in full. However that doesn't sit with the feel you get from Ico, that the queen is evil..

Bah, feck knows man. What Blue Screen Error said makes more sense, that everything generation a being with horns is born that can kill Dormin, but Dormin has them killed. To me though, that doesn't explain Wander appearing with Horns after killing 16 and then being possessed by 'something', if Dormin is in fact in Mono.

um.... sorry.

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robdood

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REALLY dont look if you havent got to the final colossus/completed this:

I can't believe they killed Agro.

Thang god he was alive again at the end. I can't bear it when animals die in that sort of way in games! My girlfriend literally screamed as he plumetted. My eyes welled up. And NOTHING makes me cry :(

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spaceyjase

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Done. It's a shame the last colossus higlights every fault with the game and isn't as enjoyable as the others. Still very good though, superb graphically.

The ending was nice, lots of speculation about how Ico's horned children come about but I think that's fairly obvious given the, ahem, final thingy seen in the ending and his explanation.

Good.

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robdood

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Done.  It's a shame the last colossus higlights every fault with the game and isn't as enjoyable as the others.  Still very good though, superb graphically.

The ending was nice, lots of speculation about how Ico's horned children come about but I think that's fairly obvious given the, ahem, final thingy seen in the ending and his explanation.

Good.

I'm interested to know what you mean by EVERY flaw :wub: I didnt really feel anything was highlighted particularly by the last colossus.

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robdood

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I fell off a lot until I realised the #proper# way to get from the right hand to the head/shoulders.

The first time I got up there, I fluked jumping from his hand to his shoulder! Stupidly thinking that was the way to do it, spent AGES trying to do it again :(

Finally worked out to stab the hand, then arrow the shoulder! DOH!

Anyways, the camera never bothered me once on the last fight, or actually ever in the whole game.

Pah and the framerate? Its like watching letterboxed movies on a 4:3 screen - after a while you just forget about it. And enjoy the beauty of the subject matter :)

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Anyways, the camera never bothered me once on the last fight, or actually ever in the whole game.

Pah and the framerate? Its like watching letterboxed movies on a 4:3 screen - after a while you just forget about it. And enjoy the beauty of the subject matter :)

I agree about the framerate, a mere niggle compared to the beauty of the vistas on offer.

The camera angle was only annoying on a couple of the smaller ones

The one in the temple with the torches, when backed into a corner and the one where you have to climb the pillars to get the colossus to knock them down

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I'm interested to know what you mean by EVERY flaw :)  I didnt really feel anything was highlighted particularly by the last colossus.

Camera and slowdown, some dodgy grabbing/control issues. One time, my bloke got stuck in the colossus' left wrist and did some funky chicken dance for a good few minutes before getting out.

Not a difficult colossus either but maybe that is just me. Baffled as to why you'd stab him in the hand when the technique isn't used previously in the game.

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Well its not that hard - you're on that hand that goes near his face, but you can tell the jump is almost impossible. Just think about how you interact with the game! All you CAN do is stab while climbing. I stabbed it out of pure frustration, though :o

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