Doctor Who

[Jug McKenzie]

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[Lorfarius]

Also if its the city that never sleeps, the statue shouldn't have been able to walk across the bay without no one seeing. It would have been stuttering all over the place. I also didn't get the thing with Roy and Amy being sent back in time. What was stopping the Doctor from flying back to the next town over, miles away from the city and walking to pick them up?

[omus]

At least we found out how Sherlock survived jumping off the building...

[Reidles]

And, as massive a plot hole as the statue of liberty sneaking about in new york is, I can kind of forgive it because it's such a cool visual. How exactly it got there would've been an incredibly cool story, though.

Also, and it's just playing Devil's Advocate here, wasn't it mentioned that the city was endlessly in a cycle of people getting sent back through time? So, if people noticed her up an doing her Ghostbusters 2 thang, it wouldn't matter as the city was constantly being fed the same things again and again.

Still is pretty weak though and it doesn't really work. I was a little disappointed by the episode, and have been ever since the second ep. Asylum was great, but after that I feel this season has veered from being close to greatness as it has becoming a shambles.

Maybe the Pond's exit was a little bit too built up from the off, especially with the hint of what's to come in the first episode. I still l think last year's season was excellent, save the finale, of which the conclusion seemed a little lazy; but this trend seems to have continued.

Anyway, still my most favourite Sci-Fi/Fantasy thing ever so, onwards and upwards!

[SeanR]

is it Ghostbusters 2?

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oh ffs!

Edited September 30, 2012 by SeanR

[El Pibe]

Different strokes for different folks I guess, as I have enjoyed this series quite a bit.

[mayor_mike_haggar]

I guess it's just that with a bit more thought and polish, then the script probably could have been fine. Just say something about how angel victims are too unstable in the timeline and the tardis would risk destabilising them and wiping them out, or something, but obviously better than that idea. Or say that when people are displaced in time they give off a small amount of time energy, and the angels use that place as a nursery where their young can feed off the energy of people that they displace back, so it's a nice big place and they're looked after (since they're a food source) but they can't leave and are well guarded. Hell, just end with Rory and Amy both getting got in that building, and the doctor can't go back and get them because there's too many angels there, or time is too unstable because of all the people who've been transported back he can't get the tardis near enough to break in, but at least they have each other.

Something like that?

[Not Thread Owner]

The only issue is kind of a big one... why couldn't the Doctor go pick them up from Manhattan years later and drop them back in 2012?

He tells you.

Rory ending up there is a fixed point. There's no changing it, no matter what he does.

[Retroid]

None of it makes sense really, even the fixed point thing - I mean Amy joined him. Also is the doctor just going to let an army of angles live in the center of Manhattan? Seems a little irresponsible. Ah well it was a cool and emotional episode anyway, logic was completely thrown out of the window so I'm not going to lose any sleep trying to make sense of it all.

[MrPogo]

What the hell happened to Moffat? His RTD-era episodes were superb and they were great because they made sense, had great sci-fi ideas that held together and always wrapped themselves up in a satisfying way. Nothing in this current series has been anything worthy of the man at his best.

I don't pay too much attention to the behind-the-scenes stuff, so don't know exactly what his duties were in each "era", but I guess writing the odd episode is a completely different ballgame from having overall responsibility for the entire thing (as is my understanding of how it works!), so I guess you can see how it might effect his performance on the writing side.

[Garwoofoo]

Also is the doctor just going to let an army of angles live in the center of Manhattan?

That's certainly an acute problem. Though I expect the answer's a bit obtuse.

[Retroid]

That's certainly an acute problem. Though I expect the answer's a bit obtuse.

Bah.

[Made of Ghosts]

I really liked that. The plot holes were huge, even huger in hindsight but it just worked for me. Not quite Doomsday levels of sad-ending-mitigating-nonsensical-plot but I welled up a bit. Rory's performance was terrific.

[Seamonster]

That's certainly an acute problem. Though I expect the answer's a bit obtuse.

Isosceles what you did there.

[Nick R]

TV series in "reused filming location" shocker.

[SeanR]

Everything about that episode was completely undone by

liberty

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It's not the only thing I remember about it, but it does inform my emotional response to the whole.

[Flub]

Ignoring all the other plotholes

I think the idea is that the Angel battery farm was wiped out by Rory and Amy causing the initial paradox. In the last bit presumably they get to live their lives from 1938 onwards normally which opens up another set of plotholes already mentioned.

Also poor Brian! I hope the Doc is going to go and apologise.

[Ste_S]

Different strokes for different folks I guess, as I have enjoyed this series quite a bit.

Yeah, same here. I'm not entirely sure what people want from Who. Return to RTD (can't watch old RTD episodes, they make me cringe), or classic who (the snails pacing makes me nod off).

The 2nd Moffat series misfired a bit, but the 1st and third series are mostly excellent.

[Space Gibbon]

I feel like the whole Pond exit thing is undermined by the Doctor basically saying goodbye to them last season (The God Complex). Everything since has (to me, at least) sort of felt like when a major character returns to a long-running series after a considerable absence and you're not sure whether to still think of them as major characters. The Ponds haven't developed as characters since last season, they were already over. Between that and the disjointed nature of this season's adventures their departure was pretty meh for me.

[whizzo]

Ignoring all the other plotholes

I think the idea is that the Angel battery farm was wiped out by Rory and Amy causing the initial paradox. In the last bit presumably they get to live their lives from 1938 onwards normally which opens up another set of plotholes already mentioned.

Also poor Brian! I hope the Doc is going to go and apologise.

If it was gonna happen it would have happened in this episode. Now THAT would have been an emotional Climax. Maybe meeting his Grown up Grandaughter for the first time aswell.

[Harsin]

At least they haven't had as many emotional farewells as Rose. That was getting farcical by the end.

[Retroguy]

Whatever came of the whole 'Don't worry about there only being two shortened series of Dr Who over the next two years, we've got great news and secret plans we can't speak about yet!!' thing then?

A film is definitely not on the cards for the forseeable future (Moffat said that in a recent interview), so was it all just smoke and mirrors to avoid negative reactions at the time?

The pacing has seemed really weird, what with splitting the series in two parts, despite the whole Rory and Amy thing this half being a bit of a damp squib since the real farewell seemed to come at the end of the last run (as others have said). Just feels to me that the momentum has really been lost here, and it's all a bit half-hearted at the moment.

[Nicky]

When does the 2nd half of the series start? the new companion lady is hot as fuck.

[Red Alignment]

Watch Vengeance on Varos, as it's pretty much the only good one and has quite a cool premise that was somewhat ahead of its time.

Just watched VoV earlier, and yeah, the plot uncannily predicts modern television trends. In a way that would seem very 'obvious' if the plot idea was used in 2012.

Far too many of the actors in VoV project their voices as if they are in a stage play, only a few such as the governor seem to manage television acting (or at least the typical received pronunciation style more prevalent at the time). Unfortunately the same criticism is valid for many actors on DW during the era...

Oh yeah, and the score sounds like it was played through a Sega MegaDrive.

[Hello Goaty ♥]

When does the 2nd half of the series start? the new companion lady is hot as fuck.

Yes, you are correct!

However, I always think of Emmerdale whenever shes on screen!

[Sidewaysbob]

The second half of the season kicks off at Christmas

[Harsin]

Is there an *Unofficial* Doctor Who thread?

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Perhaps we should close this one at 1000 pages and do a new one? Get a nice effort post done to open it up with, etc.

[Mr Cochese]

There should just be hard limit of 999 pages on threads and any subsequent posts are eaten by the database.

[Rev]

When does the 2nd half of the series start? the new companion lady is hot as fuck.

Karen Gillan is genuinely amazing looking, makes most models look plain. The new girl is just a run-of-the-mill kinda-cute soap-star. Pleasant to look at, but not particularly notable.

Also, she looks quite a lot like Sophie Aldred, which is weird. See: