Doctor Who

[Gommy]

Only thing which didn't really convince me was the plot device to separate the characters which kicked off the whole episode. You're in an alien space station with cryptically labelled buttons, and someone asks you to press the button - wouldn't you ask "Which one"?

Yeah it's hard to complain too much in the context of an otherwise excellent episode.

But not only did she not ask which button to press but she chose the red one that was below the green button, which was an odd choice. That said it also annoyed me that she chose the garden without checking the other choices, so I'm probably too picky.

[Comrade]

That was pretty much a Blink-quality episode. Phenomenal.

Also, and it's rare I say this for UK TV, but I really liked the production design on it as well.

[Comrade]

Oh, and I just watched the last Torchwood as well. Suffice to say the contrast was enormous.

There's a million things wrong with it of course, but my personal favourite was: Why didn't they just rugby-tackle Rex? Apparently seven burly men could only stand and watch. Guns are the only way to do anything, I guess.

I've heard that Torchwood actually got OK ratings both here and in the States so against all reason and morality there's still a chance for another season.

[Hexx]

A chance? A CHANCE you say?

Following the UKTV Australia showing of the Torchwood: Miracle Day finale, a screen came up at the end revealing that Torchwood will return next year! “Jack will return in 2012” appeared after the end credits confirming that our beloved Doctor Who spin-off will return for a fifth series! More news to follow, we expect the BBC and Starz to make an announcement shortly.

Read the full story at Tardis Base - Here for YOU & WHO: BREAKING NEWS: MORE TORCHWOOD FOR 2012 http://tardis-base.blogspot.com/2011/09/breaking-news-more-torchwood-for-2012.html#ixzz1XdUPRfJX

Seems very soon/early....

[Eighthours]

Yeah it's hard to complain too much in the context of an otherwise excellent episode.

But not only did she not ask which button to press but she chose the red one that was below the green button, which was an odd choice. That said it also annoyed me that she chose the garden without checking the other choices, so I'm probably too picky.

I've been thinking about this - wasn't the button that Rory pressed greyed out when Amy pressed hers? So her picking the red waterfall may not be quite such an obvious plothole.

[Gregory Wolfe]

I've been thinking about this - wasn't the button that Rory pressed greyed out when Amy pressed hers? So her picking the red waterfall may not be quite such an obvious plothole.

No, and it's not a frigging plothole. She pressed a button without asking, end of, the impulse for Amy to choose the way she did was no different than Rory's in making his choice. It didn't occur to her that he would've made a different choice, she made the obvious choice for her. You may as well call it another plothole that she entered a room they obviously weren't in. The danger of making a different choice only became obvious after those choices were made.

Fantastic episode.

[Space Gibbon]

Here's one thing I don't understand:

The facility's time streams are designed so that the families of those infected can watch the lives of their dying loved ones, right? If it's a one-day plague, then surely you would want the dying person to be on the slower-moving timeline, wouldn't you? So their life would be stretched to that of a normal person. But Amy was clearly in the 'infected' part of the facility, and on the faster path. Whut?

[locke_211]

Here's one thing I don't understand:

The facility's time streams are designed so that the families of those infected can watch the lives of their dying loved ones, right? If it's a one-day plague, then surely you would want the dying person to be on the slower-moving timeline, wouldn't you? So their life would be stretched to that of a normal person. But Amy was clearly in the 'infected' part of the facility, and on the faster path. Whut?

The plague only kills two-hearted races, like the Timelords or the native Appaluchians (?). Amy wasn't personally at risk from the disease, but was being contained. I think. You could see on the brief bit where loads of different people were walking around, that there are thousands of people being contained there at once, but all in red-room realities that are sideways from one another.

As an aside, my Dad can never follow these episodes because explanations like the above are rushed out so incredibly quickly.

[Space Gibbon]

The plague only kills two-hearted races, like the Timelords or the native Appaluchians (?). Amy wasn't personally at risk from the disease, but was being contained. I think. You could see on the brief bit where loads of different people were walking around, that there are thousands of people being contained there at once, but all in red-room realities that are sideways from one another.

As an aside, my Dad can never follow these episodes because explanations like the above are rushed out so incredibly quickly.

Yeah, but that would just make the diseased people appear to die faster from the point of view of people in the green anchor room, wouldn't it?

[Commander Jameson]

So, Amy's timeline moves faster, so she gets a full lifetime of "fake" time, whereas in the regular timeline (Rory and The Doctor's one), it is just for one day. Is that right?

I loved the production design (both sets and locations) that were used for this. The minimal, clean emptiness was excellently realised.

[Mogster]

Here's one thing I don't understand:

The facility's time streams are designed so that the families of those infected can watch the lives of their dying loved ones, right? If it's a one-day plague, then surely you would want the dying person to be on the slower-moving timeline, wouldn't you? So their life would be stretched to that of a normal person. But Amy was clearly in the 'infected' part of the facility, and on the faster path. Whut?

That's not how it works. From what I gathered, the red waterfall streams were compressed timelines, where the infected residents had the time of their last day stretched out to let them effectively live for decades more. They're still only really living a day though, which is why Amy didn't need to eat in that time. It's all a bit wibbly wobbly of course.

Anyway, that was brilliant, and heartbreaking at the end. I bet the show's younger audience will hate it though.

[Harsin]

Pffffft, Amy's a lightweight. 36 years? Rory did a millenium like it weren't no thang. 8)

[Hexx]

[Kyouma]

I didn't like this episode, the time paradox mumbo jumbo and how Amy defied it made no fucking sense whatsoever

[Mogster]

I didn't like this episode, the time paradox mumbo jumbo and how Amy defied it made no fucking sense whatsoever

Well, the Doctor defied it for a start.

Admittedly it was defied with mumbo jumbo, but then that's Doctor Who all over. The mechanics of the situation were there to allow the story to be told. The story wasn't about the mechanics.

[mayor_mike_haggar]

I liked how it was set in the aperture laboratories. They should have got the Glados lady to voice the interface.

[pranny]

I didn't like this episode, the time paradox mumbo jumbo and how Amy defied it made no fucking sense whatsoever

But you have a full grasp of time travel technology ? I dont think you need to know , just to belieeeve and also to get the jist of it all.

[mayor_mike_haggar]

I didn't like this episode, the time paradox mumbo jumbo and how Amy defied it made no fucking sense whatsoever

And yet you're fine with an immortal shapeshifting man who travels the universe in a bright blue police box?

[Blue Screen Error]

Pffffft, Amy's a lightweight. 36 years? Rory did a millenium like it weren't no thang. 8)

This was probably the one thing that annoyed me about the episode. Fair enough she was constantly on the run for this 36 years, but he had to be content with being on his own for most of that time/finding ways to stick with the pandorica for 2000 years.

[mayor_mike_haggar]

Right, there was the line "you can change time if you know your own future" or something. Was that throwaway, or is it a bit more significant since the dr knows his own future, now.

[JohnC]

This was probably the one thing that annoyed me about the episode. Fair enough she was constantly on the run for this 36 years, but he had to be content with being on his own for most of that time/finding ways to stick with the pandorica for 2000 years.

Yeah but she's a woman.

[Delargey]

Right, there was the line "you can change time if you know your own future" or something. Was that throwaway, or is it a bit more significant since the dr knows his own future, now.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Hexx]

Yeah but she's a woman.

Rory most likely spent the entire time just playing with himself and scratching his arse.

[c-cat114]

Thoroughly enjoyed the ep and the button thing, while silly, I just stopped worrying about and put down to favourite colours.

That said: the music during the moment when old Amy made her choice was rubbish and almost ruined everything.

[PK]

In Let's Kill Hitler, did the Numskulls ever actually say specifically that River Song was the one who killed the Doctor? Or was it all just things like "that's her"?

[pranny]

Right, there was the line "you can change time if you know your own future" or something. Was that throwaway, or is it a bit more significant since the dr knows his own future, now.

Its supposed to a fixed point so it cant be altered. But I`m sure he`s bent that rule before.

[kensei]

Great EP. I liked how it was also an oblique insight in the Doctor; Rory is angry then crushedby his choice but the Doctor has to make those choices all the time

[Kyouma]

And yet you're fine with an immortal shapeshifting man who travels the universe in a bright blue police box?

Yep. Funny how suspension of disbelief works, isn't it? I'm fine with advanced science that I can't comprehend precisely because I know I wouldn't be able to understand it. But I couldn't get my head around why Amy was able to defy causality and events that already happened - can someone explain it to me? Since older Amy had been younger Amy at one point in time, that means that presumably older Amy had a rescue attempt happen since at one point in the episode she said she had been on the other side of the mirror talking to a future version of herself that refused to rescue herself. And this was an inevitable fact.

My suspension of disbelief was thoroughly broken in this episode, which is why I didn't like it.

[Mogster]

Yep. Funny how suspension of disbelief works, isn't it? I'm fine with advanced science that I can't comprehend precisely because I know I wouldn't be able to understand it. But I couldn't get my head around why Amy was able to defy causality and events that already happened - can someone explain it to me? Since older Amy had been younger Amy at one point in time, that means that presumably older Amy had a rescue attempt happen since at one point in the episode she said she had been on the other side of the mirror talking to a future version of herself that refused to rescue herself. And this was an inevitable fact.

So? That still happened. She had a conversation with older Amy in which she said she didn't come back. Then older Amy changed her mind, and the Doctor figured out a way to get younger Amy into the same time as older Amy.

As for why older Amy wasn't rescued in this way, well, that's the paradox isn't it? That's why the Doctor lied about being able to sustain both Amys in the Tardis.

Doctor Who's got a bit of a history of changing its mind when it comes to paradoxes. This isn't too different to something like the multi-Doctor stories though, where none of the later Doctors ever remember meeting themselves. Except in Time Crash where he does, eventually.

[Jimmy Shedders]

Fantastic episode, one of the best of Smith's run.

He's quickly becoming my favourite Doctor so far