Doctor Who

[Meh]

In the second-last ep of Torchwood, when Gwen was on the webcam, I loved how her baby's dummy vanished into thin air.

Please tell me it's tanking, and that RTD is being recognised for the hack he truly is.

[Space Gibbon]

I don't know about that. Remember that if the series is widely slated, there's a virus out there that'll wipe all record of Torchwood from the internet and media.

[El Pibe]

In the second-last ep of Torchwood, when Gwen was on the webcam, I loved how her baby's dummy vanished into thin air.

Please tell me it's tanking, and that RTD is being recognised for the hack he truly is.

Maybe she took the dummy out?

There's much worse in Torchwood than a missing dummy!

[PopeSmokesDope]

Are there any stories of a rushed production for this? Many of the scenes must have been one-take jobs before moving on to the next, it's so sloppy. Early on in this episode Rex is talking into a camera, over his left shoulder you can clealry see about five of the crew milling about in the background. Had similar in an earlier episode too!

Obviously that isn't including all the dumb stuff in the writing too, as mentioned already!

I saw that and paused/rewound it a few times, if you look its actually staff/troops and in a shot that comes just after there are otehr people milling around...

[Rudi von Starnberg]

In the second-last ep of Torchwood, when Gwen was on the webcam, I loved how her baby's dummy vanished into thin air.

Please tell me it's tanking, and that RTD is being recognised for the hack he truly is.

All I know is that Alan Sepinwall, prolific reviewer of US TV, stopped doing his weekly reviews/analyses of it after episode 5.

[Madness]

I'm really enjoying it. It's filling a Luther-shaped hole in my life.

[Hexx]

IIRC correctly the first couple of episodes got press screenings and positive pre-showing hype. No idea if it's true since then.

[Harsin]

Well Alan Sepinwall over at Hitfix was fairly positive at the start, then went through a period of wondering if this was some kind of 'british' quirkiness that he just wasn't getting, then came to the conclusion that, no, it's just crap and bailed out.

[Meh]

Maybe she took the dummy out?

There's much worse in Torchwood than a missing dummy!

But then it reappeared.

It's all part of the plot, I guess.

[JohnC]

Sounds like something that happens with babies. They spit it out, she sticks it back in.

Though they probably didn't put that level of thought into it here and it is actually a continuity error.

[Meh]

No. She's obviously the mastermind behind the miracle.

[cassidy]

I can't believe this is from the same writer that nailed it with the second coming.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

[MikeJones]

OH NO YOU DIDN'T

No wait, you did, and it was completely fucking accurate.

[JohnC]

Wow, almost no progression this week. Most of it is a massive flashback!

What was the point of the kidnap plot at all? They're using it to lure Jack to someone he is basically looking for anyway!

[scottcr]

I'm really enjoying it. It's filling a Luther-shaped hole in my life.

How dare you compare Luther and Torchwood.

HOW DARE YOU!

[Hexx]

Wow, almost no progression this week. Most of it is a massive flashback!

What was the point of the kidnap plot at all? They're using it to lure Jack to someone he is basically looking for anyway!

I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I loved it or hated it. I think it was a step up, and I can see some people loving it.

We seem to know more about Angelo (who was quite well developed I thought). I'm not sure I liked the fact that generic italian plinky plonk music played everytime Angelo was onscreen I do like the fact that in 45minutes we know more about Angelo than we do about Rex/Esther

We saw the birth of the Triangle/Family - a hint at how the Mircale came about (well I thought so, the vial of Jack's bloods was given a bit of screen time).

Some of the Jack/Gwen scenes were nice - and there was minimal Rex (yeah Rex, Torchwood are the amatures!) and Esther.

Gwen's "I bloody loved" it was a good scene, and echos alot of what people seem to to think about her. I did like the brutal honesty between Jack/Gwen that they're both selfish and will fight for what they want (none "I'm so torn, please forgive me" etc). But I do wish they'd stop trying to deconstruct the Jack/Gwen relationship. It seems like they've been trying to do that since MD began, and it's just not that interesting.

Like the adventures of Jack through time, trying to emulate the Doctor with Companions the fallout of his immortallity and their relationship.

The odd thing was - the best thing about the episode was nothing to do with Torchwood. We're just watching aother examination of the Doctor/Companion relationship (and how they fall apart), but with Jack as a stand in for the Doctor. There was nothing "Torchwood" about it.

Hated the fact the kidnappers were stupid. They can obviously block the CL to Esther since she didn't see the "Go East" stuff, but left all the "We're holding your family hostage!". Nana Vistor turns up with 2 guys in a car, says "Well it looks you follow instructions", gets shot at with a sniper rifle and screams "Find out who that is!". How are your guards going to do that? Trying to kidnap Jack when he wants to meet the person your taking him to? (She even admits it at the end!). What was Esther's plan if the kidnappers hadn't helpfully get Rhys and Co at Gwen's mums house?

And where did "On the run Rex" get a freaking huge sniper rifle?

Didn't like the fact the "winning" side again comes down which ever side isn't the most stupid

Nana Vistor looks old though. That means I'm getting old too

[Harsin]

The odd thing was - the best thing about the episode was nothing to do with Torchwood. We're just watching aother examination of the Doctor/Companion relationship (and how they fall apart), but with Jack as a stand in for the Doctor. There was nothing "Torchwood" about it.

Well more precisely RTD's particular mawkish vision of the Doctor/Companion dynamic which we had again and again and again under his reign...

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[Meh]

I like how every episode seems to have some token gay character. Not just a person who happens to be gay - but a real mincing motherfucker.

[Space Gibbon]

I think Jack is just one big gay magnet, attracting every gay man that didn't make it into RTD's Doctor Who run.

Was amazed to see Major Kira show up at the end. She's getting on a bit.

I think this was my favourite episode so far, probably because it hardly had any of boorish Rex or retarded Esther.

[Eighthours]

I like how every episode seems to have some token gay character. Not just a person who happens to be gay - but a real mincing motherfucker.

It's almost like RTD is in-jokingly playing up to his GAY AGENDA. Or maybe he just actually really does properly have a GAY AGENDA.

The latter.

[Flub]

I'm only still watching this shit because I want to see how it ends. Then I found I actually enjoyed episode 7. It felt a bit more Torchwood like. As someone said earlier in the thread it's a bit of a curious choice making all those people who've never heard of Jack think he's gay rather than anything with a postcode. During the first episode when they jumped out of the exploding building I was patiently waiting for him to hit on blondie and NOTHING. He just doped her up on plotholecon and wandered off.

I do like that the idea that he keeps a stash of jackets and guns hidden around the place and forgive me if I'm wrong did it take until episode 7 for them to explicitly state that Jack has been off world? It's like they got this far and someone said "Shit. This is supposed to be sci-fi isn't it? Shove an alien in"

[Hexx]

Well Jack's timeline's properly fucked up (I don't think the writers care)

The only version of Jack we know was active in 1920s is the one who went back in time after Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways.

He landed in the 1800s and then had to "wait" for the Doctor to come back (After Torchwood S1 in the 2000s).

So at this point Jack didn't know how/why he was immortal/a fixed point in time. He hadn't yet met the 10th Doctor/experienced Uptopia, so how did he explain it to Angelo?

Of course there's the version of Jack that was sent back in time at the end of Torchwood S2 - but he spent the time getting back to the 'present' buried/in stasis in the morgue.

Unless there's third version of him running around thr 1920s

[Space Gibbon]

Well Jack's timeline's properly fucked up (I don't think the writers care)

The only version of Jack we know was active in 1920s is the one who went back in time after Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways.

He landed in the 1800s and then had to "wait" for the Doctor to come back (After Torchwood S1 in the 2000s).

So at this point Jack didn't know how/why he was immortal/a fixed point in time. He hadn't yet met the 10th Doctor/experienced Uptopia, so how did he explain it to Angelo?

Of course there's the version of Jack that was sent back in time at the end of Torchwood S2 - but he spent the time getting back to the 'present' buried/in stasis in the morgue.

Unless there's third version of him running around thr 1920s

Did he say he'd lived 700 years? Where did that come from?

It's possible he didn't need Doc 10 to explain to him that he's a 'Fixed point' - maybe the only new information he got from the Doctor was that there wasn't anything he could do to fix him.

[Captain Novaforce]

I think I actually watched this to see how annoyed it would make me, RTD delivers.

I wasn't really paying attention towards the end, but didnt Gwen

Blow up and therefore burn all the people including the catagory 1s in that facility, there fore doing their jobs for them?

[JBD]

I can't believe this is from the same writer that nailed it with the second coming.

Exactly this. Big Russ must be suffering from an undiagnosed brain tumor or something. I'm not so much watching this as enduring it.

[scottcr]

Even my wife has said that she doesn't feel there's any point watching the rest of this... the last few eps have been pretty awful. The director of the death camp was a complete waste of a character and so much of it simply makes zero sense what so ever.

[Harsin]

So Jack tried to con Gwen by saying his wrist doohickey could find where they'd stashed the baby. This actually made sense, as obviously the first thing you would do if you were holding someone's family as hostages to make them comply with your demands is to remove them to a secure location and not, oh I don't know, just keep them in their house!

This makes Rex and whatever the other one's name is's rescue even more nonsensical. "Don't worry they're safe!" Erm yeah, by all rights the SWAT team should have been bursting into an empty house and they'd all have been up shit creek. Lucky for them they were saved by awful writing.

[Eighthours]

I've actually stopped watching it. I will catch up before the finale happens, but Jesus, it's an effort. It's just sooooo amateur.

[NecroMorrius]

My brother regularly makes sweded versions of popular films and TV shows with the service users where he works, who are adults with learning difficulties and special needs etc. Sometimes they come up with their own storylines and settings etc, then he takes them out on the bus to a location to film. For the most part, the films he makes with these guys are, ACTUALLY, more logically consistent and believable than this current series of Torchwood. They did a version of King Kong recently which was quite good, they also did a 'clerks' style film about people working in a cafe which was quite good too. Of course, there's no budget and no production value whatsoever, but the core thrust of the storylines, why people do what they do and how they react to unfolding events, makes more sense than this series of Torchwood. There simply isn't an excuse for getting the basics wrong and having characters who make nonsensical decisions which leave the viewer guessing what their motivation was supposed to be.