Doctor Who

[Jack]

Any bit where Tennant got angry just made me think of the episode of Seinfeld where his girlfriend points out he doesn't do emotions properly.

[Space Gibbon]

Matt Smith's said in recent interviews that he'd like to do it 'forever and ever'. Joking obviously, but he made it clear he's around for the foreseeable.

[Gommy]

It would be nice to have a doctor hang around for a good 5 or 6 series.

I enjoyed last nights, but didn't think it was amazing. As someone said the army didn't seem very army like. Plus didn't we do the whole the doctor is the greatest weapon/warrior at the end of last series. Could have done without the pointless throwing in of the Spitfires too, but I'm sure kids think they're cool

At least we seem to be getting resolutions to things and not just continuously getting more, I just hope it can be nicely tied up at the end of the season. I don't want to feel like I'm watching lost come the end of this season.

[kensei]

Have I totally misread what the Doctor saying "That means we..." and Alex Kingston's comment on confidential? What River told the Doctor wasn't what she told Amy. She told the Doctor

she's the mother of his child by drawing attention to the cot and not the cloth

and he worked out the rest. Hence why she's more important.

Edit: according to moffat on twitter, the Doctor was also looking at the prayer leaf inside the cot. Confused now

[Hello Goaty ♥]

On a quiet Sunday morning, I made this:

Major spoiler if youve not watched it yet.

[Laine]

Please can I have a laine@letskillhitler.com email address!

[Nick R]

Is Matt Smith signed for the next season or could we be looking at the end of his run after the Autumn 2011 part comes to a close?

I think the bigger question is how long Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill will be around - as JohnC says:

I was wondering about the future with the baby. Would they continue the show with them carting a baby around with them? I don't see that happening. Probably more likely we are near the end of Amy and Rory's run or they don't get the baby back, or if they do they send it somewhere safe or suchlike.

Assuming the girl in the spacesuit who later regenerates is their daughter, then even if they get her back when she's the age we saw her in TIA/DOTM, then as you say, surely Rory and Amy wouldn't want her tagging along on adventures in the TARDIS? Unless that regeneration is an excuse to recast her a few years older?

[Space Gibbon]

I think the mother-of-his-child thing seems like a plausible explanation for the weirdness around the cot.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

A hugely enjoyable episode. I am entirely unsurprised that some people (not so much here) have reacted badly to it, but I loved it to bits.

And LET'S KILL HITLER had me in stitches.

[mdn2]

Assuming the girl in the spacesuit who later regenerates is their daughter, then even if they get her back when she's the age we saw her in TIA/DOTM, then as you say, surely Rory and Amy wouldn't want her tagging along on adventures in the TARDIS? Unless that regeneration is an excuse to recast her a few years older?

That's got to be it. I reckon the rest of the series will be hunting for the baby, only to find her too late as she regenerates into someone older.

Does this remind anyone else of Angel Season 3?

[Space Gibbon]

If that was her in the first two-parter, why was she hanging in an orphanage, where are the clerics and Madame Kovarian, and what's with the Silence hanging out there? Did maybe the Silence steal the baby from the nasty militants?

And what reason is there for not being able to nab the child from where they know it was in the 60s and run?

And how come River didn't know who the child was then?

[Space Gibbon]

On a quiet Sunday morning, I made this:

Major spoiler if youve not watched it yet.

Awesome. I'm anticipating a few more Downfall Doctor Who clips to emerge over the summer, but let history say you were the first.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

I confess I found the episode largely disappointing, it just didn't live up to what was promised in the build up to it. That said, I loved the Sontaran guy and would happily watch a whole series of adventures with Victorian Lesbian Samurai Silurian Holmes. And yeah, that next episode title is hands down incredible.

[Mr Cochese]

Amy has been kidnapped, but Doctor Who is going to find and rescue her.

Doctor Who turns up and wins almost instantly.

Some time passes.

The princess is in another castle. Here, have a perfunctory and easily defeated ambush.

Baby has been kidnapped, but Doctor Who is going to find and rescue her.

[Harsin]

Just remembered in River's first appearance in the episode, to Rory:

"Today's my birthday"

[Dr Derek Doctors]

Amy has been kidnapped, but Doctor Who is going to find and rescue her.

Doctor Who turns up and wins almost instantly.

Some time passes.

The princess is in another castle. Here, have a perfunctory and easily defeated ambush.

Baby has been kidnapped, but Doctor Who is going to find and rescue her.

This. I love Doctor Who but there did seem to be an awful lot of nothing happening in that episode.

[Retroid]

Just realised why River couldn't be there...

cuz teh babi was there innit!!!111

[roBurky]

Why did the Doctor lie to Amy when she asked if he had children? The slight pause between asking and his answer should have given it away to her.

He didn't. He didn't answer her. He replied to the baby, who was criticising his hair.

[sprite]

Just remembered in River's first appearance in the episode, to Rory:

"Today's my birthday"

When she started....

excitedly telling her father everything she did on her birthday like a little girl, I figured out who she was for sure.

[Garwoofoo]

So is Rory doomed? River seemed very taken aback to meet him in last night's episode - which could well mean that she hasn't met him before (in her timeframe) or therefore later (in Rory's timeframe). If this was the first time she'd met him then it could be the last from his perspective.

I think. Some of this stuff does my head in. It's kind of backed up by an interview in the Evening Standard a couple of weeks ago where the interviewer picked up that Arthur Darvill was

referring to his time on Doctor Who in the past tense.

Anyway. Outstanding episode last night.

[Madness]

I honestly don't think they'll kill Rory. They've done it too many times already, I think Moffat knows it'll lose its impact if that happens. I reckon Amy might kick the bucket, though.

[Space Gibbon]

I kind of feel like after this revelation, it won't be long before it feels like Amy and Rory's time with the Doctor will have run its course. Which is a shame because I like the three of them as a team.

I don't think they'll be killed off, though. I think they'll be put somewhere safe where they can look after teenage angst River.

[Eighthours]

Speculation:

I think that Rory's going to be killed. I think he's the "Good Man" referred to as the one River offs, which is why she ends up in prison. And he's arguably just as much the "Good Man (Who) Goes To War" as The Doctor is.

By the way, the Stevie Wonder gag was AMAZING.

I'm watching this ep again with my sister, and it's much better this time through.

[scottcr]

Yeap - the Stevie Wonder joke was ace, a variation on the 'have you seen his wife' joke...

[Goose]

Re: Eighthours Speculation

My wife agrees - she just said that the doctor said that "a good man doesn't need rules, you don't want to think about why I have so many". Implying that he is not a good man, meaning Rory would be.

[scottcr]

Rory talking to the Cybermen was awesome. Potential for an entire 2 parter there, just thrown in as an aside.

That episode couldnt have been cheap - production through this whole series has been superb!

[joeplus]

Have to say there were some real razor-sharp gags ("I can produce magnificent quantities of lactic fluid!") and badass lines (Rory) in there. Really enjoyed it, I was mega-slow on the uptake about the ending though. Should have seen that coming from the start. I thought the flesh-baby moment was actually quite harrowing and offset very well against River's appearance.

And yeah, LET'S KILL HITLER was awesome.

[Eighthours]

Yeah, much better on second viewing, this. Hung together better.

Still not sure about how this retcons into Silence In The Library. Can someone remind me of the circumstances of River's death there?

Also:

How did River know this meeting was about Demon's Run? Presumably the Doctor told her everything about it in a later encounter (earlier from her point of view)?

Also also: the whole lead-up to River's reveal in previous eps hinted how The Doctor kinda wouldn't like her anymore after he knew her secret. But... er... he does.

[Space Gibbon]

Speculation:

I think that Rory's going to be killed. I think he's the "Good Man" referred to as the one River offs, which is why she ends up in prison. And he's arguably just as much the "Good Man (Who) Goes To War" as The Doctor is.

Hasn't Rory died enough already?

Like the theory though, that Rory is the 'good man' and could well be the 'best man she's ever known'. Would killing Rory land her in space-prison, though? And shouldn't she be more emotional around him if she had killed him?

I think it's enough that we know the Doctor's died (in fact twice this season so far, though one was a fleshy) AND there's that skeleton with the sonic screwdriver. I think it would be too much if they added another death to the mix. Simplest explanation, obviously, is River-as-astronaut kills the Doctor. Perhaps the nasty people did something to her that mean she HAS to kill him or she'll die. Or something less silly sounding.

But how does the Doctor come back? I'm expecting one of the next three or four episodes to introduce something that will seem only episode-relevant but will actually be the key to everything. Kind of like the fobwatch in season 3 or the flesh in the first half of this season.

[Space Gibbon]

Yeah, much better on second viewing, this. Hung together better.

Still not sure about how this retcons into Silence In The Library. Can someone remind me of the circumstances of River's death there?

No retcon as far as I can see. River plugged herself into the computer to let it use her mind briefly to break its self-destruct cycle, or something. Her brain was overloaded, fried, whatever. She stops the Doctor from doing it himself (handcuffing him - "Why do you even have handcuffs?" "Spoilers!") and when he says he would stand a better chance of surviving she says, "You wouldn't stand a chance and neither would I." then something like "Your brain would be fried and don't even think about regeneration."

So basically it says a Time Lord wouldn't survive it, without her admitting she was a Time Lord (or part thereof) at the time.