Doctor Who

[mdn2]

Why is there speculation about when Amy was kidnapped? It was obviously in the second episode when she was kidnapped by the Silence, the Amy the gang "rescued" was clearly the Ganger.

Except Amy saw the eyepatch lady before that - in the old abandoned house.

[Fury4k]

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[SeanR]

Episode one she's claiming to be pregnant, episode two she's not. Therefore she's replaced at some point between the two.

explains why that scan had a problem with her.

[Headache]

Na, I think she's already been replaced when she tells the Doctor that she's pregnant. When she tells him that she's pregnant what she says is that she's been trying to tell him for a while but keeps getting distracted. I think that from what the Doctor said in the last episode about the signal link between Amy and her ganger receiving interference we can assume that the reason she had been unable to tell him (and why she then forgot about it afterwards) was that this information was being suppressed by whatever group the eyepatch lady is a part of and for just a split second she was able to either break that suppression or the signal slips and she's able to tell him what she needs to.

[scottcr]

we still don't know why the Tardis exploded... for all we know, it was a plastic Amy that woke up in the Pandorica. We've seen the Silence ship before in the Lodger, time to go back to series one and find out when the Amy switcheroo happened...

assuming though, that Amy got pregnant after the wedding - and it was non plastic Rory that did the business.

CONFUSED.

very slight based on photos

Roman Rory in next weeks episode suggests that he's the 2000 year old Rory and plastic as well.

C O N F U S E D

[SeanR]

River IS Amy!!!

j/k

[Space Gibbon]

very slight based on photos

Roman Rory in next weeks episode suggests that he's the 2000 year old Rory and plastic as well.

C O N F U S E D

I was guessing that he's dressed as a Roman in an attempt to disguise himself as a Nestene, if indeed the army is the same one from Pandorica opening.

[scottcr]

I was guessing that he's dressed as a Roman in an attempt to disguise himself as a Nestene, if indeed the army is the same one from Pandorica opening.

but the Nestene are different from the Plastic People...

are they??

[scottcr]

also... I think it's all going to go back to the very first episode. A few things stuck out there, like why did the Doctor focus on the duck pond for a bit...? That's when we first heard about The Silence and there's also the as yet unresolved staircase to no-where inside Amy's house... similar to The Lodger.

[Hexx]

also... I think it's all going to go back to the very first episode. A few things stuck out there, like why did the Doctor focus on the duck pond for a bit...? That's when we first heard about The Silence and there's also the as yet unresolved staircase to no-where inside Amy's house... similar to The Lodger.

The duck pond was solved by the cracks wasn't it? The ducks had been eaten by a crack.

Poor duckies

[Rudi von Starnberg]

The duck pond had no ducks because a crack in time ate them. Rory is also definitely not plastic.

You're making confusion where there is none!

[scottcr]

The duck pond had no ducks because a crack in time ate them. Rory is also definitely not plastic.

You're making confusion where there is none!

true! There's still the 3rd floor in Amy's house though.

Also - must remind myself that this isn't the series finale, just the mid-season cliff-hanger, so there'll be loads of unanswered questions.

[Fury4k]

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[Mr Cochese]

I was guessing that he's dressed as a Roman in an attempt to disguise himself as a Nestene, if indeed the army is the same one from Pandorica opening.

Maybe he's just dressed as the Centurian because he's off to rescue Amy and he associates the costume with a version of himself more capable of doing that. Like putting on warpaint, basically.

[Harsin]

We already know he likes a bit of roleplay, he's probably just hoping for a bit of sexy time with her when they find her, now that he realises that he's been knobbing a bag of goo in a bunk bed for a few months now.

[scottcr]

Wasn't it the alien up there that stopped people noticing a third floor? Didn't the doctor go in and confront it?

that was the door - but there was also a staircase to the 3rd floor... same as there was in The Lodger (which has been made all the more important in the overall ark due to The Silence ship being on the top floor... were the Silence kipping out at Amy's house?)

[SeanR]

We already know he likes a bit of roleplay, he's probably just hoping for a bit of sexy time with her when they find her, now that he realises that he's been knobbing a bag of goo in a bunk bed for a few months now.

living the dream!

[Harsin]

I'm quite enjoying Scott's increasingly fevered interpretations of half remembered scenes from Doctor Who.

"Amy and a Silent were on the third floor making babies and I saw one of the babies and then the baby looked at me."

[Nick R]

Wasn't it the alien up there that stopped people noticing a third floor? Didn't the doctor go in and confront it?

Prisoner Zero was in an extra room on the landing where the Doctor was chained up. There was also a staircase leading up, and we never saw where it went to. I doubt that'll be important, though: giving the house three floors was probably just a way of emphasising the feeling that Amy lived alone in a house too big for one person.

I think there will be a link with The Lodger, though. Maybe the TARDIS-emulating technology used by the spaceship in The Lodger is related to the Eyepatch Lady and co's ability's to link Amy to her Ganger even across time and outside the universe?

Na, I think she's already been replaced when she tells the Doctor that she's pregnant. When she tells him that she's pregnant what she says is that she's been trying to tell him for a while but keeps getting distracted.

The escape from the Jefferson/Adams/Hamilton building after the end of The Impossible Astronaut was only told in somewhat flashback, so there could have been a big Silence encounter there, during which Amy was replaced. I'd assumed it was the real Amy that told the Doctor she was pregnant and fires the gunshot, then she's replaced either there, or sometime in the following months when they're tracking Silents and scrawling tally marks on themselves. But you're right, the fact that Amy says she's been trying to tell him for a while but keeps getting distracted implies that she was replaced before that point.

[scottcr]

gotta love end of season fanboy speculation - I love it... as you can tell.

The thing about the staircase is that it led up to a floor that didn't exist. The house was clearly two floors from outside. Probably reading too much into it though.

Also, where did the Tardis go between falling into the acid and appearing again later... and it wasn't clear how they managed to get it back.

The acid and the flesh were kind of coming together at one point were they not - the whole 'eyeballs appearing in the walls' thing suggested that to me.

Given that we've established now that the TARDIS is alive to a certain extent, did the flesh manage to 'clone' a Tardis. Is this the one that was in the Lodger?

:OMG:

[Mr Cochese]

Maybe this TARDIS is really what Mickey turned into after he fell into that bin and got replaced by a Nesteen clone.

[scottcr]

Maybe this TARDIS is really what Mickey turned into after he fell into that bin and got replaced by a Nesteen clone.

maybe the TARDIS is the Wheelie bin!!!

[Harsin]

Also, where did the Tardis go between falling into the acid and appearing again later... and it wasn't clear how they managed to get it back.

What???

[scottcr]

maybe the TARDIS is the Wheelie bin!!!

so - Mickey gets taken into the TARDIS wheelie bin in episode one, a plastic one is unleashed upon the world... Mickey then has time travelling adventures in his wheelie bin, but completely in the company of The Silence... so when he leaves the bin, he forgets everything that happens... meanwhile, the bin turns up outside James Cordon's house and the rest is history.

[Eighthours]

so - Mickey gets taken into the TARDIS wheelie bin in episode one, a plastic one is unleashed upon the world... Mickey then has time travelling adventures in his wheelie bin, but completely in the company of The Silence... so when he leaves the bin, he forgets everything that happens... meanwhile, the bin turns up outside James Cordon's house and the rest is history.

I can imagine this actually being some old RTD brainstorming notes.

[Hexx]

Can't be. No heavy handed mentions of gaybos

[NecroMorrius]

Maybe he's just dressed as the Centurian because he's off to rescue Amy and he associates the costume with a version of himself more capable of doing that. Like putting on warpaint, basically.

We can all relate to that.

Anyway, interesting tidbit from the recent Kermode 10 year special. They had Noel Clarke on, and he said that the directors told him the Who comeback was a full-on kids show. As a result he played it that way for the first three eps filmed (which were 1, 2 and 4). When he first got to watch it back and see the 'tone' of it, he was mortified at his performance in contrast to everyone else, and he can't stand to watch those episodes to this day.

[scottcr]

Can't be. No heavy handed mentions of gaybos

In RTD's original notes, the Silence wear leathers. They have moustaches but no mouths.

[Harsin]

Anyway, interesting tidbit from the recent Kermode 10 year special. They had Noel Clarke on, and he said that the directors told him the Who comeback was a full-on kids show. As a result he played it that way for the first three eps filmed (which were 1, 2 and 4). When he first got to watch it back and see the 'tone' of it, he was mortified at his performance in contrast to everyone else, and he can't stand to watch those episodes to this day.

Another tidbit: RTD planned to make Mickey bisexual at the end of the crappy Cybermen two-parter, in fact I think they even filmed the scene between him and the Geordie, but it got cut.

And then in the last episode he's married to Martha out of nowhere and you can virtually hear the writer going "And, um, I guess these two hooked up or something because I couldn't think of anything else for them... nevermind that though let's have Rose's 983691675451th big emotional send off, this is the last one honest!" Poor Mickey.

[NecroMorrius]

It's because they were both black. Black people in white-centric programs are like magnets for each other

Shitty white writers always end up having them hook up.