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Just read the previous, some wise type mentioned the hand having a role to play, and I certainly noticed a lingering shot of it early in the episode, or was it just me?

And the doctor won't take the battle fleet, he's a pacifist!

Maybe, but he does the killing when it needs doing. And against the (as far as the Doctor knows at the time) mysterious unknown force that can move twenty-whatever planets without trace, you'd have thought he'd be sensible enough to take a bit of backup.

I thought that interrupted run to Rose was dreadful: so staged. The second he turned around and Rose was so far away, it was blatantly obvious one of them was going to get shot. That's one of the problems with RTD's episodes: no real surprises and no consequences. If there's a new Doctor I'll be surprised, and if there isn't some sort of cosmic reset button at the end of next week's episode, I'll be astonished. Thank God for Moffat.

Having said that, though, I right enjoyed tonight's episode. Not as good as Silence In The Library/Forest of The Dead (which had the best last half of a Who episode EVER) or Turn Left, but it was pretty damn good.

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You saw the regeneration coming then, yeah?

When Rose appeared and they started to run towards each other, yeah. I'm not saying that I figured the whole thing out right from the beginning of the episode, but it was pretty telegraphed.

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When Rose appeared and they started to run towards each other, yeah. I'm not saying that I figured the whole thing out right from the beginning of the episode, but it was pretty telegraphed.

I thought Rose was going to be shot at this point. The Doctor was a complete shock to me.

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I thought that interrupted run to Rose was dreadful: so staged. The second he turned around and Rose was so far away, it was blatantly obvious one of them was going to get shot. That's one of the problems with RTD's episodes: no real surprises and no consequences. If there's a new Doctor I'll be surprised, and if there isn't some sort of cosmic reset button at the end of next week's episode, I'll be astonished. Thank God for Moffat.

I agree, but would possibly blame the director (Graeme Harper) for that. Although I suppose the writing could be blamed as Davies may have insisted on the incredibly cheesy slo-mo shots of them both smiling with romantic music playing. We don't need to be told it means a lot for them to see each other again, we already KNOW that it's an emotional scene. That can be attributed to Harper's essentially old-school style of directing and filming, which works in episodes like 42 and Utopia, but not in ones like today's.

Euros Lyn's directing is considerably more evocative, and I expect he'll start directing the main episodes when Moffat becomes head writer, considering that he directed Girl in the Fireplace and the Library two parter. Mind you, he also directed Fear Her. :wub:

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No, David was killed by a Klingon...

D'oh!

Why did RTD write in some Judoon language when he landed at the Shadow Proclamation? The TARDIS should have sorted out the translation. And, I think they asked him who Donna was, as the last thing the Doctor said was "Ma Ho".

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Oh. Guess it's just me then? Oh well. It doesn't stop me enjoying it, so I don't mind. Maybe when I said 'no surprises' I should have said 'too much telegraphing'. I stand by the consequences thing though (in the 'wider picture' sort of way): every series seems to end with the Earth and everyone in it being destroyed or enslaved or something HUGE and then - poof - it's all back to normal, no-one seems to remember it or talk about it. It feels cheap to me.

I completely agree, Ravern.

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I thought that interrupted run to Rose was dreadful: so staged. The second he turned around and Rose was so far away, it was blatantly obvious one of them was going to get shot.

I was expecting Cap'n Jack to appear between them at the last second and plant a smacker on the Doctor whilst Rose crashed into the back of him.

I was annoyed at the presenter announcing "And now the Daleks are back in Doctor Who!" just before the episode, when I'd been desperately avoiding all potential spoilers for a week :wub:

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RadioTimes already has the column up - it's about how shocking this doctor's "death" was, how unexpected and how good tennents been in the role.

They think it's proper regeneration then...

"But if everything meshed perfectly, if it was all brilliant and it all felt like it had to culminate in regeneration, there's still that eerie Dalek Caan reference to the Doctor as "the threefold man". There's no possibility that the Doctor will somehow unregenerate, we have definitely got the Eleventh Doctor now - if it was undone, the show would struggle when it was really time to regenerate in the future - but you want to hang on to hope. "

Hmm. Up suspiciously quickly so I suspect a double bluff. Especially as they'd probably already seen tonight's episode?

I think the idea of only one side of his body being regenerated is correct. Hence that shot of him looking at his hand, which was probably on the side that he got shot?

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Oh. Guess it's just me then? Oh well. It doesn't stop me enjoying it, so I don't mind.

Yep - It's just you using the bit that seemed to shock everyone to try and demonstrate how predictable the episode was :wub:

Lots of people thought something would happen on the Doctors 24 mile run to rose, just not that...

Having said that for an RTD episode it was very surprising - No openly "It's ok to be gay" messages, no "this is how aliens/the future will view pop culture - look isn't it funny!", no religious allogories and no parental issues...

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I think we can agree that this is the best first-part-of-a-series-finale that RTD has ever done though, yeah? Definitely the best ending.

It beats the last minutes of Army of Ghosts.

I think it's just above the last few minutes of The Sound of the Drums (which was ruined by knowing there was a reset button, but gets major points for the correct use of "decimate").

It doesn't top Utopia or the final minutes of Bad Wolf

(Ah sorry. You meant whole episodes, not just last few minutes...)

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I agree, but would possibly blame the director (Graeme Harper) for that. Although I suppose the writing could be blamed as Davies may have insisted on the incredibly cheesy slo-mo shots of them both smiling with romantic music playing. We don't need to be told it means a lot for them to see each other again, we already KNOW that it's an emotional scene. That can be attributed to Harper's essentially old-school style of directing and filming, which works in episodes like 42 and Utopia, but not in ones like today's.

Euros Lyn's directing is considerably more evocative, and I expect he'll start directing the main episodes when Moffat becomes head writer, considering that he directed Girl in the Fireplace and the Library two parter. Mind you, he also directed Fear Her. :wub:

I wouldn't count on that. Moffat wasn't the one who chose to match up Euros with his stories - RTD has often spoke of wanting to get Euros to direct more eps of Who, but he's just so in demand now, apparently.

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I think most people thought Rose was going to be shot, but kudos to you for being 'one step ahead' of the rest of us.

Um, yeah, great. I'm definitely trying to win a pissing contest where I'm better than everyone, so kudos to me, absolutely. :wub:

Nah, just kidding. Not actually trying to be a wanker or start an argument. Just messing about. <_<

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It beats the last minutes of Army of Ghosts.

I think it's just above the last few minutes of The Sound of the Drums (which was ruined by knowing there was a reset button, but gets major points for the correct use of "decimate").

It doesn't top Utopia or the final minutes of Bad Wolf

(Ah sorry. You meant whole episodes, not just last few minutes...)

There is a fifteen minute segment of The Sound of Drums which consistently amazes me with how good it is, but I think overall it's better, as it plays more to RTD's strengths (characterisation and camp drama) and minimises his weaknesses (celebrity cameos and poor pop culture references).

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I wouldn't count on that. Moffat wasn't the one who chose to match up Euros with his stories - RTD has often spoke of wanting to get Euros to direct more eps of Who, but he's just so in demand now, apparently.

Ah I didn't know that. Though Wikipedia seems to suggest he's only doing crap like George Gently episodes? Get him out of there!

I definitely prefer Euros Lyn's directing to Graeme Harper's. I find Harper to be one of the weakest directors, with a very plodding sense how to set up action sequences and so on.

Which is a shame, as he tends to get the most action-heavy episodes.

I imagine that's mainly due to his old-school sensibilities, on both parts.

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The pacing for this episode was absolutely manic - fantastic stuff, absolutely loved this episode and didn't see the doctor getting shot coming at all.

And thar be spoilers.......

412. The Stolen Earth

413. Journey's End

202. 280608 by Russell T Davies

050708

The Earth is stolen. The Doctor and Donna materialise where the Earth should be and it's gone. (Again? Didn't this happen in Trial of a Timelord Episodes 1 to 4 when the Timelords moved the Earth?)

An alternative Davros and his alternative Daleks have alternatively stolen planets and other places throughout the universes and put them in their own alternative space (D-Space?) The Doctor's Army must band together to save the universe.

Confirmed that this final story will feature Rose, Mickey, Jackie, Sarah Jane, Captain Jack, Martha Jones as well as Donna and the Doctor. It may feature Pete. Gwen and Ianto from Torchwood also make a brief appearance. It'll also feature Davros played by Julian Bleach and millions of Daleks in a war, The Judoon, the Shadows (of the Shadow proclamation) as well as other aliens in a final gobsmacking battle.

Davros has been located by Caan but Davros chains him up and tortures him. In a shock development in the final episode, a Dalek casing opens to reveal Harriet Jones, played by Penelope Wilton, the mother of all the new Daleks.

But what has the Shadow Proclamation got to do with anything?

This would be the story for the 45th anniversary so Russell will probably pull out all the stops.

The final scenes, revealed in released pictures awhile ago, suggest that the Doctor is either involved in a freak explosion which splits him into two Doctors or it could be just the crossing of alternate realities.

This is believed to be a crash and burn story which wipes out almost anything that Russell T Davies has had a hand in creating in the past few years so that the new producer can start with a clean slate, so to speak.

It is believed that, right near the end, the Doctor leaves Donna with Wilf. It's also believed that Donna is exterminated.

NB: K9 does not make an appearance. It's possible they've had to edit him out due to time constraints and pacing. Or maybe that black hole is more important.

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