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Harlen Quinn

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I'd like to see Dalek Sec escape somehow next week.

I like the idea of this extra villain, one that isn't Dalek or human, but the worst of both of us. And I'd like it if the Daleks are as intent on destroying him as we are. Like he's some abomination.

And aye - Tennant's Doctor's totally different this series. I've decided that if Pertwee was "The Dandy Action Hero Doctor" and Ecclestone was "The War Veteran Doctor," Tennant is "The Manic Depressive Doctor."

Just try watching it with the thought that he's playing it like a classic manic depressive. I swear to God that's what they're going for.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be a spoiler, it features the brief plot synopsis details of next week's ep plus a little bit of well educated speculation.

Synopsis:

Dalek Sec is reborn in human form and plans to build a Dalek empire in Thirties New York, as Russell T Davies's Doctor Who continues. While Martha fights for her life at the top of the Empire State Building, the Doctor must enter into an unholy alliance in order to change Dalek history for ever. /synopsis

So, Diagoras was a Greek, athiest poet and Sec has now merged with Mr. Diagoras to form an unnatural human/dalek hybrid, sounds pretty unholy to me. Now who must the Doctor form an alliance with I wonder?

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we're 4 episodes in... and martha has been a bit rubbish.

There was all this quick set up with her family - and then - nothing. No more character development. All we know after 4 episodes is she's a bit smart and she fancies the 'doctah'.

Rose didn't start to annoy me until halfway through series 2, Martha hasn't done enough for me to notice her enough for her to start to annoy me.

Maybe that's the point.

At some point she'll have to go back home and catch up with her family - who'll all assume she's dead or something.

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I'm with Davros. The relationship between the Dr and Rose really grated in the second series and became quite tedious. So much, in fact, that I was relieved when they were finally separated.

I agree with that too. Thing is by then there'd been around 18 episodes where it worked really well. No contest.

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I agree with that too. Thing is by then there'd been around 18 episodes where it worked really well. No contest.

I thought at the time that the writers were making the relationship annoying on purpose (Rose and The Doctor were both becoming way too cocky), to set them up for a big fall at the end of Season Two where they fucked up due to their bravado together. Never quite happened like that. Which means that I credited the writers with too much intelligence. Their relationship was annoying because... er... well, it just was. Quite dramatically unsatisfying for me when I look back at Season Two, although the last episode was good in its own way.

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So people keep saying. Other than being told she's educated I can't see any evidence for this in the script.

She doesn't need everything explained to her. I think there were a couple of times early on when the Doctor was about to, but she made it clear she understood.

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Just watched the most recent one. Thought it was absolutely godawful. Dissapointing use of the Daleks, terrible American accents, stupid pointless pigmen (again) and a genuine laugh out loud at the 'human Dalek'. Quite a big quality drop from last weeks.

The New York CG shots all looked great though.

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Just watched the most recent one. Thought it was absolutely godawful. Dissapointing use of the Daleks, terrible American accents, stupid pointless pigmen (again) and a genuine laugh out loud at the 'human Dalek'. Quite a big quality drop from last weeks.

The New York CG shots all looked great though.

whaddaya gunna do, eh? </shrug>

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I really like Martha. Couldn't tell you why.

Pretty much the same thing here. Although come to think of it, I can come up with one reason, that being that she isn't as bloody full of herself as Rose was in series two. I just thought that a lot of the time the character became far too smug for me to much like her*, whereas this hasn't happened at all with Martha.

* A (slightly nerdy and none too serious) example is in the final episode of series two, where she tells the Daleks that she destroyed their emperor. No you didn't you silly smug little girl!

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American accents are really quite subtley diverse, I doubt there are many people in this thread qualified to judge, especially when you consider the amount of immigrants that would've had hybrid accents. It's based on the english accent and probably a gazillion other things, y'know? I doubt the average american can really discern what is or isn't a genuine american accent. I think people are expecting the accents to be bad. I thought they were good, on the whole, and the ones that weren't were recent-ish immigrants, obviously. I've moved in the social circle of a number of ex-pat brits and the american accent isn't necessarily any one thing.

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Don't understand the negative comment about the American accents - they were fine.

Tallulah especially sounded awful. You know that way when you're a kid and you run about pretending to be a Ghostbuster and you put in a fake American accent? That's what half the cast of this sounded like.

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Just watched Survival.

Christ. That is some of the worst Who I've ever seen - it didn't even come close to making any sense whatsoever. I think, with hindsight, it was right for a break. Maybe not a 15 year break, but I'm not sure they really had any idea what they were actually writing, story to story. The grand vision may have been there, but - episode one aside - Survival is a mess of a story and a wasted opportunity.

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Just watched Survival.

Christ. That is some of the worst Who I've ever seen - it didn't even come close to making any sense whatsoever. I think, with hindsight, it was right for a break. Maybe not a 15 year break, but I'm not sure they really had any idea what they were actually writing, story to story. The grand vision may have been there, but - episode one aside - Survival is a mess of a story and a wasted opportunity.

It directly followed The Curse of Fenric though, and that was ace. :D

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Tallulah especially sounded awful. You know that way when you're a kid and you run about pretending to be a Ghostbuster and you put in a fake American accent? That's what half the cast of this sounded like.

The guy who played Solomon is Ghanian (though has played Americans in US shows), the girl who played Tallulah is British and the rest, including the incidental cast are American.

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Tallulah was the only person whose accent I had a problem with. Her whole character was just one big cliche - it wasn't just the accent, but the phrases she used.

I expected her to burst into "My name is Tallulah" from Bugsy Malone.

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I thought the accents were fine. American characters tend to sound wrong in British shows, even when they are played by Americans. Likewise with British characters in US shows. It might be down to the slight difference in playback speed between PAL & NTSC material. I remember a US actor saying he sounded like a chipmunk on UK TV (I think it was Magnum PI).

Likewise that English woman in Frasier sounds like an American doing a bad accent. Then again, she's just got a wierd voice.

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Latest bullshit tabloid rumour ahoy!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a45580/ky...as-special.html

Kylie for 'Doctor Who' Christmas Special?

Monday, April 23 2007, 12:48 BST

By Ben Rawson-Jones, Cult Editor

Kylie Minogue is to star in the forthcoming Doctor Who Christmas Special, according to a tabloid report.

The News of the World claims that the Australian singer has met the show’s executive producer and Russell T Davies ahead of filming in July. An insider is quoted as saying: "She is flattered to be asked to be in such a classic TV show. The Doctor Who team are delighted they've got someone as sexy and high profile as Kylie to ensure they win the annual ratings battle with ITV."

Minogue, allegedly due to play a ‘sexy Cyberwoman’, already has ties to the science fiction show. During her recent ‘Showgirl’ tour, dancers wore costumes that closely resembled Cybermen and snippets of dialogue from last year’s Cybermen episode ‘The Age of Steel’ episode were played between songs. The former Neighbours star’s stylist Will Baker is believed to be a big Doctor Who fan and the driving influence behind the rumoured appearance.

The BBC was unable to confirm the news, telling Digital Spy today that "the scripts have yet to be written for Christmas or next season so it is impossible to discuss casting at the moment".

Slow news day then?

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Funnily enough though I thought her accent was fine and she's clearly a talented actress, what with the dancing, and the singing, and the what have you. <shrugs shoulders in a distinctly Semitic fashion>

Her dancing was terrible, it has to be said. Other than that she was fine

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