Doctor Who

[El Pibe]

Gping on holiday soon and will miss three weeks of this! Am already looking forward to the easing the pain of getting back with a 'Who catch-up'!

[Boyatsea]

Brilliant episode, as they've all been this series.

Loved the dancers. Loved the Dalek coming out of the lift. Top stuff.

[Dimahoo]

Nice episode, shit title.

It didn't gel right that hybrid Dalek. Somehow the guy gets all his DNA changed, and yet his suit remains perfectly fine. It just looked like exactly what it was - a Dalek head stuck on top of a guy. It would've been better if the suit was ripped in places and you could see grey skin underneath

It reminded me of The face of Scaroth from City of Death. I fucking hated that thing when i was younger.

It was the first time i'd seen something with one eye and i was like, oooh - his face is all wrong wrong!

I've always found that freaky or warped faces are errie.

A bit like that flower thing Ste Pickford did.

[pretentious_helvetica]

Great stuff - just seen the repeat. I'm really impressed by some of the effects work as well - the old New York looks pretty incredible considering this is a "mere" television programme. I wish the human-dalek was a bit more... well... Davros-y? The bit where Sek swallows that bloke was pretty nasty though. It's a two parter too! Hooray! I think this is why it's like Old Who - programmes which had several parts to them with cliffhangers.

I like Martha as does the female announcer on BBC Three.

[Dimahoo]

I liked Sek. I liked the fact he was a true Black Dalek and not all coloured gold. I wish the Daleks were different colours again.

[biglime]

Man, the bit where the Dalek was looking out over New York and wondering why humans keep surviving was pretty sweet, particularly with the Doctor's "They always survive, while I lose everything" thing. Really sets the Doctor and the Daleks apart as proper aliens.

[Davros sock drawer]

As someone who didn't appreciate the re-writing of The Cybermen's history, I hope they don't make this a similar re-invention of Davros. It would make so little sense, and Dalek Sec is fine as a new villain anyway.

[pretentious_helvetica]

Anyone else think that David Tennant has toned down the Doctor somewhat from some of the crazed outbursts of the last season? Stuff like that godawful "I ain't afraid of no ghost!" exclamation. The bit biglime mentions was great - you could tell that he is really affected by the Daleks. Sometimes you think that isn't the case, with the Doctor running about almost immune but there's something about the Daleks which shakes him to the core.

[biglime]

I'd like to see Dalek Sec escape somehow next week.

I like the idea of this extra villain, one that isn't Dalek or human, but the worst of both of us. And I'd like it if the Daleks are as intent on destroying him as we are. Like he's some abomination.

And aye - Tennant's Doctor's totally different this series. I've decided that if Pertwee was "The Dandy Action Hero Doctor" and Ecclestone was "The War Veteran Doctor," Tennant is "The Manic Depressive Doctor."

Just try watching it with the thought that he's playing it like a classic manic depressive. I swear to God that's what they're going for.

[JohnC]

As someone who didn't appreciate the re-writing of The Cybermen's history

When did they do that?

[biglime]

Just try watching it with the thought that he's playing it like a classic manic depressive. I swear to God that's what they're going for.

I actually just thought of something there, and checked Tennant's bio.

"However, things began to look up when he landed a part in the award-winning BBC TV production of Takin' Over the Asylum. Tennant played manic-depressive Campbell Bain, a role that he claims changed his life."

[Dimahoo]

I'd like to see Dalek Sec escape somehow next week.

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He's not really a dalek though....rather a dal and human.

He has no machine. Yet.

[pretentious_helvetica]

He's not really a dalek though....rather a dal and human.

He has no machine.

I meant the Daleks in general, not the dalek-human thingy. That bit reminds me of Alien Resurrection with the crappy alien/human hybrid scene, although the dalek-human doesn't look half as shite.

[Jack]

I liked Sek. I liked the fact he was a true Black Dalek and not all coloured gold. I wish the Daleks were different colours again.

We need something like this...

[FishyFish]

When did they do that?

Last series with the creation of the parallel universe versions. The original story of the Cybermen in 'our' universe was different. From Wikipedia:

Millennia ago, during prehistoric times, Mondas was knocked out of solar orbit and drifted into deep space. The Mondasians, already far in advance of Earth's technology and fearful for their race's survival, sent out spacecraft to colonise other worlds, including Telos, where they pushed the native Cryons aside and used the planet to house vast tombs where they could take refuge in suspended animation when necessary.

On Mondas, The Mondasians were dying out, and therefore, in order to survive and continue the race, they replaced most of their bodies with Cybernetic parts. Eventualy removing all emotion from their brains, to maintain their sanity, the natives installed a drive propulsion system so they could pilot the planet itself through space. As the original race was limited in numbers and were continually being depleted, the Mondasians — now Cybermen — became a race of conquerors who reproduced by taking other organic beings and forcibly changing them into Cybermen. The origins of the Cybermen were further elaborated upon in Spare Parts.

Spare Parts is a far superior origin story than Rise of the Cybermen / The Age of Steel. Although the parallel universe thing doesn't rule out returning to the original versions, I'm not sure they'll bother now, which is a shame. The new Cybermen look great, but don't have the same impact as the originals (for me at least).

[JohnC]

Last series with the creation of the parallel universe versions. The original story of the Cybermen in 'our' universe was different. From Wikipedia:

Spare Parts is a far superior origin story than Rise of the Cybermen / The Age of Steel. Although the parallel universe thing doesn't rule out returning to the original versions, I'm not sure they'll bother now, which is a shame. The new Cybermen look great, but don't have the same impact as the originals (for me at least).

That isn't re-writing the Cybermens history. They are a separate group of Cybermen from a different universe. The other ones still existed and aren't changed.

[FishyFish]

Back to saturday's episode: do you think the hybrid will have some sort of powers? The thing that makes the Daleks so threatening (apert from their malevolent ruthlesness) is the machine in which the mutant creature resides, complete with it's defences and armaments. On the face of it, the hybrid comes across as a considerably weaker creature. What do you think?

[FishyFish]

That isn't re-writing the Cybermens history. They are a separate group of Cybermen from a different universe. The other ones still existed and aren't changed.

To anyone unfamiliar with the original series though, the new Cybermen ARE the Cybermen - bringing back the originals with their seperate history will likely be confusing to new viewers, so I doubt we'll hear of them again (although they were touched upon briefly in Dalek in series 1 I suppose), which in effect is re-writing their backstory to all practical intents.

[Flams]

I think this is why it's like Old Who - programmes which had several parts to them with cliffhangers.

Yes! I love two episode stories, bit more like a film in that way. I have seen literally no "old" doctor who except the genesis of the daleks, and I loved how it just went on and on and on over many episdoes. Quality stuff even if the acting was dire.

[Boyatsea]

We need something like this...

I said that recently. I'd love to see them bring back the Imperial Daleks in Series Four. Have some Dalek vs. Dalek action.

[Dimahoo]

Yeah....some storyline involving the Imperial Daleks using new forms of Dalek based war machine too.

[Mogster]

I said that recently. I'd love to see them bring back the Imperial Daleks in Series Four. Have some Dalek vs. Dalek action.

They're a bit too dead for that.

[Dimahoo]

What about these Art Deco Daleks in the 'Evolution of...' Epi then...whats all that about?

Also an Epi featuring the Imperial Daleks could occur.

It could be thoerised that the same escape pods used to eject Davros when Skaro's sun exploded called have also ejected an imperial Dalek.

[Davros sock drawer]

When did they do that?

Well, in so much as they wrote a new, alternative history for them, which supercedes the old one.

Before - They were our brethren from a long lost twin planet, who gradually replaced their body parts to combat disease, and eventually excised their emotions. Wonderful.

Now - They are cyborgs developed on Earth by Trigger from Only Fools and Horses. Shite

[linkster]

Back to saturday's episode: do you think the hybrid will have some sort of powers? The thing that makes the Daleks so threatening (apert from their malevolent ruthlesness) is the machine in which the mutant creature resides, complete with it's defences and armaments. On the face of it, the hybrid comes across as a considerably weaker creature. What do you think?

I think by far the most interesting aspect of the daleks is basically the idea that through destruction they bring about peace but that they achieve this through being emotionless & logical. What appeals to me about the Cult of Skaro is it mimics one of my favourite storylines (Destiny of the Daleks) in which they recognised their limitations and sought out Davros to help them win. I like the whole thought process that goes into these storylines, ok maybe it's a bit Mr Spock but not as annoying. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing if that forms part of it.

[Dimahoo]

They themselves don't recognise peace though (unless you in aftermath, IE once they've left the warzone).

[linkster]

They themselves don't recognise peace though (unless you in aftermath, IE once they've left the warzone).

Yes I was thinking of Davros's line in Genesis of the Daleks, something like "when all other life forms are suppressed, then we will have peace." So it's the reason he made them, rather than them being conscious of what they are actually doing.

[Dimahoo]

On the face of it, the hybrid comes across as a considerably weaker creature. What do you think?

Its an intresting point, but i'd have thought the Daleks (by their very own creation) would know that human skin is weak. I'm thinking psychic abilties so any weapons are useless.

Saying that....its probable that the hybrid only has the same skills that a Dalek has learned - unless they learned mind control from another race.

[Davros sock drawer]

I think by far the most interesting aspect of the daleks is basically the idea that through destruction they bring about peace but that they achieve this through being emotionless & logical. What appeals to me about the Cult of Skaro is it mimics one of my favourite storylines (Destiny of the Daleks) in which they recognised their limitations and sought out Davros to help them win. I like the whole thought process that goes into these storylines, ok maybe it's a bit Mr Spock but not as annoying. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing if that forms part of it.

I must read the novelisation of that again, as the concept is quite cool, let down (as is so often the case) by the representation of it on screen.

I mean, the whole concept of the Daleks locked in stalemate with the equally logical Movellans is quite interesting. Until you see that the Movellans look like this:

Which is a fine look for a late 70's disco, but not so great for anything else.

[Dimahoo]

Well, it was a great concept until their Warships were all destroyed.

Or were they?