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cassidy

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the reviews at outpost gallifrey are..unkind to them and gatiss in particular.

I bet the reviews for Nightshade are decent, same goes for Love and War, and Timewyrm Revelation and Just War, and So Vile a Sin and Return of the Living Dad, and The Left Handed Hummingbird and The Also People and Damaged Goods and many more.

I bet the vast majority of reviews for those are glowing beacons shouting loud their quality and they are a world of literature away from the 10th doc and 9th doc books

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Daleks = NA's

Cybermen = EDA's

Myrka = 9DA and 10DA's (harsh but Jaq Rayner can piss off)

Honest the ninth doc and tenth doc books are being written for young adults and kids, the NA's and EDA's were written for adults.

Christ everyone should the Also people just to find out what happens when The Doctor meets a Culture-like(as in Iain M Banks) society. Amazing book that one.

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"the NA's and EDA's were written for adults."

Which to my mind are their main failing.

Doctor Who is aimed at young adults and kids.

You are one of these pedantic people who have to have everything "dark" and "gritty" and "Adult" arent you. I bet you moaned endlessly about the star wars prequels. I bet you sit and go through episodes of Doctor Who for important mistakes that contradict previous episodes.

Yawn.

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You are one of these pedantic people who have to have everything "dark" and "gritty" and "Adult" arent you. I bet you moaned endlessly about the star wars prequels. I bet you sit and go through episodes of Doctor Who for important mistakes that contradict previous episodes.

Yawn.

That seems somewhat off the mark TBH. Cassidy always comes across as a huge evangelist for Doctor Who as a whole, in all it's forms.

Doctor Who is aimed at young adults and kids.

I'd say it's actually aimed at a family audience, meaning it can encompass a broad spectrum of age groups - from lunch boxes and the like aimed at school kids, to more serious novelisations aimed at mature fans, plus everything in-between and beyond..

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I'd say it's actually aimed at a family audience, meaning it can encompass a broad spectrum of age groups - from lunch boxes and the like aimed at school kids, to more serious novelisations aimed at mature fans, plus everything in-between and beyond..

Indeed. That's very much the aim of new Who, I think. And original old old old Who. It lost that appeal under JNT.

I bet you sit and go through episodes of Doctor Who for important mistakes that contradict previous episodes.

cassidy is one of the most enthusiastic and valued people in this thread.

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"the NA's and EDA's were written for adults."

Which to my mind are their main failing.

Doctor Who is aimed at young adults and kids.

You are one of these pedantic people who have to have everything "dark" and "gritty" and "Adult" arent you. I bet you moaned endlessly about the star wars prequels. I bet you sit and go through episodes of Doctor Who for important mistakes that contradict previous episodes.

Yawn.

rubbish.

I've love the new series of Dr Who like most people here - and went out and bought the first few books from CE's doctor to keep me going. Problem is, they are WRITTEN for kids. Which means that, as books, there's little to hold an adults attention. The writing style is basic and simple and the plots are really straightforward. That's the problem for me. I'd like them to writing some books based on these new doctors adventures, but aimed at the older market - while writing alternative ones for the younger kids. I don't care if they're canon or not... just make them interesting to read.

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Thanks for the defence everyone :(

BTW fave eps of S2 were TGIF and Love and Monsters sweetdaddyg. As dark and gritty as they come :huh:

I'm an everyman when it comes to Who fella, just the new books arent as deep or funny(Graeme the auton Spatula, I ask you :( ) or as meaningful as the older ones. Christ I bought the storybook last month, aimed at the kids as well was that one.

BTW Gatiss story in that one Cuckoo Spit aint too shabby IMO.

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Dunno if this has been mentioned but in a new episode to be shown in april the doctor meets shakespeare at the globe or something, hilarity ensues I'm sure.

And the Bard himself is being played by one of my fave actors working in the UK at the moment

Dean Lennox Kelly who plays Kev in Shameless.

Can I again thank everyone who ensured my honour was upheld in this thread. Gentlemen and scholars everyone of you :)

Garry in particualr made me laugh with his kid in a sweetshop analogy. A perfect description of my attitude to the good Doctor.

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To be honest, and all apologies to cassidy, my highly provocative stance was a ploy to put some life back into this thread. Didnt want it sinking to the bottom.

Sorry Cassidy, no hard feelings I hope.

While I agree with Cass that having some more mature Doctor stories is no bad thing, they do also by their very nature exclude certain percentages of Doctor Who fans.....

I personally enjoy the 8th doctor novels, but am more of a BBC books purist as opposed to the Virgin books.

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Getting back to the 8th doctor, I'm about to start Placebo Effect. I tell you one thing I really hate about these books...

The synopsis gives stuff away, like is Sam going to feature or not, but I can't help reading it

otherwise, they're fantastic. he's now my second fave doctor.

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Getting back to the 8th doctor, I'm about to start Placebo Effect. I tell you one thing I really hate about these books...

The synopsis gives stuff away, like is Sam going to feature or not :P but I can't help reading it

otherwise, they're fantastic. he's now my second fave doctor.

McCoy is still my fave and its all down to the New Adventures, then Tennant and then Eccles and then Tom Baker, blasphemy I know.

Have you been reading them in order Linkster? If so what did you think of Vampire Science and my personal fave Alien Bodies.

I really like Sam though, but at the time Fandom hated her, she's pretty much of a similar mold to Rose but less chavish and more political, the Dark Sam storyline is pretty cool as well. If you've read Alien Bodies you'll be aware of the start of this plot thread btw.

I hated Placebo effect, then again I'm not a big fan of Gary Russell's fiction.

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Well I started right at the end with Half Life and Reckless Engineering which I'm kicking myself for. Then I read Banquo Legacy, Ancestor Cell & The Burning before starting at the beginning with Vampire Science. it was great since you ask, maed me realise that all RTD has done is build on fantastic work modernising the character that was done a fair old time ago.

Ancestor Cell's my fave so far, thought it was absolutely brilliant. Alien Bodies was good too. Worst (so far) is Dreamstone Moon.

Sam's always bugged me, only starting to like her now she's grown up a bit (Seeing I for example).

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Well I started right at the end with Half Life and Reckless Engineering which I'm kicking myself for. Then I read Banquo Legacy, Ancestor Cell & The Burning before starting at the beginning with Vampire Science. it was great since you ask, maed me realise that all RTD has done is build on fantastic work modernising the character that was done a fair old time ago.

Ancestor Cell's my fave so far, thought it was absolutely brilliant. Alien Bodies was good too. Worst (so far) is Dreamstone Moon.

Sam's always bugged me, only starting to like her now she's grown up a bit (Seeing I for example).

:P eek, I honestly cannot see how anyone can prefer Ancestor Cell over the brilliance of Alien Bodies.

Stephen Cole single handedly destroyed one of the greatest storylines to ever feature in Doctor Who with that book. All Lawrence Miles work in setting up THE WAR and the Faction Paradox storyline and the Compassion arc all destroyed in one crappy book. I hate it so much, once Time travel exists I'm heading back and retconning it out of existence. Which Lawrence Miles did in his own range of Faction Paradox books, which are also brilliant BTW

I do love Seeing I though, not as good as some of Kate Ormans NA's but the whole Doctor in the perfect prison to hold him is cracking.

Alien Bodies is inspired because its not only an amazing book, but its genius in that way back in 1996 Lawrence managed to write the last ever Doctor Who story and still allow the Doctor's tales to continue. It makes me laugh out loud does Alien Bodies and feel very sad(not saying anymore for spoilers sake)

Come on its genius alone for the Doctor's escape from UNISYC.

AS for RTD building on the modernising of Doctor Who, well you could argue it started way back in 1993 when the NA's started. Or possibly even further back in DWM with the comic strip doing stories that the telly could never afford to do. Tides of Time anyone :P

See I love the fact we have such different opinions and taste in Who but can manage to discuss it civily and the fact this silly, scary TV show can be so many different things to so many different people. Part of its genius I think.

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Bear in mind AC was my introduction to Faction Paradox, who I think rule. Aside from that the whole thing is so fucking dark, loved it. Am confused just how many times the Time Lords have been destroyed now though... oh well :P

Well its well worth reading the spin off stuff once you've read the majority of Lawrences Eigth Doctor books, but IIRC the first mention of Faction Paradox is in his first book Christmas on a Rational Planet a late NA from 1996.

in order

Christmas on a Rational Planet - Mention of Grandfather Paradox

Alien Bodies is the first meaningful appearance and usually rated as one of the best EDA's

Unnatural History - lots of Faction

Interference - THE WAR and more Faction

Dead Romance - A Bernice Summerfield New Adventure, but in reality its all about the War and Faction Paradox and just happens to be the bestr Doctor Who book written, beg,steal or borrow a copy, Honest.

The Ancestor Cell - Retcon's the faction to not exist :P

The Adventuress of Henrietta Street - sort of Factiony paradoxy but probably the best EDA there is

Then its all covered in the spin off series, in case you plan on reading any heres a list

The Book of THE WAR - Just astounding stuff, first book I'd read, that needs a guide to reading it properly.

This Town will Never let us go - Headf**K of a book, but so many great ideas

Of the City of the Saved - So good I had to review it

Warlords of Utopia

Warring States

Erasing Sherlock - due to be published in November

Thats it for the Faction so far. And you can buy all 6 direct from the USA from Madnorwegian.com for about £40 and that includes the reprint of Dead Romance.

Christ I read too much.

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If you like the 8th Doctor stuff linkster, you could do worse than pick up the two graphic novels just released :-

Endgame.

The Glorious Dead.

Endgames possibly the stronger of the two (and should be read first anyway) but both top stuff. Oblivion (the third one)should be released sometime in october.

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