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the solution to the problem was... again... as always... very contrived.

I was thinking about this the other day, and really, this has been the case throughout the entire history of Doctor Who. A few examples:

Erato then warns the Doctor that the Tythonians have set a neutron star on a collision course with Chloris in retaliation for his imprisonment. With the Doctor's help he is freed from the Pit and, out in space, spins an aluminium shell around the star, allowing for it to be pulled off course by the TARDIS's gravitational tractor beam and thus saving Chloris.
The Doctor then rigs up the lighthouse lamp with a diamond taken from a cache held by the now dead Skinsale, thereby creating a powerful laser beam to destroy the approaching Rutan mothership.
The Great Vampire is about to be revived from its resting place beneath the Tower - in fact the spaceship in which the Lords, in their original human forms, came to E-Space - but the Doctor launches one of the ship's three shuttle craft and it pierces the heart of the creature, killing it. The Lords, deprived of their master, crumble to dust.

It never detracted from the show then, and it doesn't now. "The Doctor Saves The Day", or in other words "A Wizard Did it". It's as it should be really.

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I thought the resolution to Doomsday was one of the best in the series. It was something they'd been building up to (the idea of the two worlds being split off permanently from the end of the first Cyberman two-parter) and it brought with it a whole lot of good, human drama.

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Right... so he sent the Tardis forward in time one hour...

He might have. That's not the point.

Something is a plot hole if it makes no sense or contradicts the shows internal logic. The fact that it's perfectly possible to put the Tardis out of harms way means that expample isn't a plot hole. You might as well ask why nobody went to the toilet or nobody swore.

How would he get it back?

Tough one. I suspect if he thought about it for, say, an hour, he'd think of a way.

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Tough one. I suspect if he thought about it for, say, an hour, he'd think of a way.

I realised that after I asked, couldn't edit it out in time! Still, is there any record of the tardis being used like that?

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I realised that after I asked, couldn't edit it out in time! Still, is there any record of the tardis being used like that?

I seem to remember the Tardis drifts through time after the Doctor in Revenge of the Cybermen, so that it conveniently turns up just in time for them to go and rescue The Brigadier from The Loch Ness Monster.

See? It's always been prett silly. Revel in it!

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I seem to remember the Tardis drifts through time after the Doctor in Revenge of the Cybermen, so that it conveniently turns up just in time for them to go and rescue The Brigadier from The Loch Ness Monster.

See? It's always been prett silly. Revel in it!

OK I will. :lol:

I wasn't so much trying to pick out a plot hole as I was enquiring as to the hypothetical capabilities of a time travelling police box. I'm not sure which is worse....

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He might have. That's not the point.

That's entirely the point. As it stands, we don't know how the Tardis avoided falling into the void. It is a hole in the plot.

Something is a plot hole if it makes no sense or contradicts the shows internal logic.

Internal logic of the plot says everything exposed to the void will fall back into it. The Tardis was exposed to the void. The Tardis did not fall back into it.

That's a contradiction. The fact that it requires an external explanation (it was sent forward in time one hour) is what makes it a plot hole.

The fact that it's perfectly possible to put the Tardis out of harms way means that expample isn't a plot hole.

It's perfectly possible for anything to happen, ever. This argument would nullify anything from ever being a plot hole, as it's always possible to find an explanation - therefore the argument is void unless you admit that plot holes don't really exist.

You might as well ask why nobody went to the toilet or nobody swore.

1. Going to the toilet was not an element of the plot, so its omission isn't a plot hole. If, however, the plot revolved around the toilet being broken and Rose needing to use it, and later on Rose doesn't need to use it, then it would be a plot hole, because we don't see her go, nor do we see the toilet being fixed, and we have to come with an explanation for how it happened ("they found a plumber! Rose ate a bladder-absorption pill! They took a detour to the toilet planet!")

2. The reason they don't swear is a real life one - the show is to be watched by children. It would be equally stupid to ask why the Doctor doesn't notice the special effects don't look totally real.

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I think that's cobblers sprite. All you are doing is pointing out stuff not explicitly explained. It wasn't explained because it was trivial and uninteresting - not vital to the plot. The protection of the Tardis is trivial and not key to the plot. There is no contradiction at all - just a trivial omission.

Fine, but it's just one example.

Why didn't the Doctor put Rose and her family into the Tardis before opening the void? That's a pretty important point, because it's the whole basis of her leaving.

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Fine, but it's just one example.

Why didn't the Doctor put Rose and her family into the Tardis before opening the void? That's a pretty important point, because it's the whole basis of her leaving.

Maybe that would have been a better idea but he didn't think of it. Is it a plot hole if a main character doesn't choose the same strategy you would?

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I'ts a weak internet cliche response but...'Get out more!'

Anyways, didn't the Dr say that the Timelords used to be able to travel through dimensions, earlier in the series, maybe TARDIS' are designed to be able to do this, or something?

Or, didn't the TARDIS get taken away? Maybe it was secure somewhere?

I really can't see why you would be so frustrated by this. These last few pages are a good example of the negative side of message boards where people have to pick everything to pieces, be it games or films, or TV programmes.

Plus, the show is 45 minutes long, if that, and it would be a pretty dull 45 minutes if everything needed to be explained in finite detail.

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I'ts a weak internet cliche response but...'Get out more!'

Anyways, didn't the Dr say that the Timelords used to be able to travel through dimensions, earlier in the series, maybe TARDIS' are designed to be able to do this, or something?

Or, didn't the TARDIS get taken away? Maybe it was secure somewhere?

I really can't see why you would be so frustrated by this. These last few pages are a good example of the negative side of message boards where people have to pick everything to pieces, be it games or films, or TV programmes.

Plus, the show is 45 minutes long, if that, and it would be a pretty dull 45 minutes if everything needed to be explained in finite detail.

Dude, it's an equally weak internet cliche response to say "stop criticising this!" I'm aware some people aren't bothered by these things, but we're all different after all. I'm not trying to drag the enthusiasm of others down with me, but it's only fair that I can express an opinion on it just like everyone else is.

I also think it's a bit daft to say that it's impossible to fit everything into a 45 minute show when plenty of 45 minute shows manage to do without plot holes, and still don't need to be full of throwaway explanations.

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Fine, but it's just one example.

Why didn't the Doctor put Rose and her family into the Tardis before opening the void? That's a pretty important point, because it's the whole basis of her leaving.

The Tardis was in the hangar, right? Same hangar where the Daleks opened up the Genesis Ark and where the Doctor was barely able to grab those two huge magnets while dodging lasers and electric beams? No-one would have made it to the Tardis alive.

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I also think it's a bit daft to say that it's impossible to fit everything into a 45 minute show when plenty of 45 minute shows manage to do without plot holes, and still don't need to be full of throwaway explanations.

It's not daft at all.

If, for example, they'd have had to scrap some of the action scenes, like the bridge one, in order for the Dr to rabbit on about why the TARDIS wouldn't fall into the void...it would be a shame.

I'd be interested to know what 45 minute shows have no plotholes whatsoever, other than Dr Who, of course :lol:

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Ok, here's one: How was the void powerful enough to suck every single Cyberman and Dalek in the entire world into it, but not powerful enough to suck in someone holding onto a bit of pipe in Canary Wharf, the very place where the void originates?

Though that comes more under "suspension of disbelief", I suppose.

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Ok, here's one: How was the void powerful enough to suck every single Cyberman and Dalek in the entire world into it, but not powerful enough to suck in someone holding onto a bit of pipe in Canary Wharf, the very place where the void originates?

Though that comes more under "suspension of disbelief", I suppose.

I think those magnet\clamp things were supposed to help. Red button to nulify the mass.

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I think those magnet\clamp things were supposed to help. Red button to nulify the mass.

That's me completely forgetting about the clamps. Forget what I said.

Though it has to be said that as soon as those things were mentioned in Part One, I knew they'd miraculously become important....

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