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One easy one is why would rose need to work in universe B when her father, as it was established earlier on in the series is loaded. How does a cyberman cry if they have no tearducts and remove all emotion. How come only 1 dalek out of millions had the brains to shift dimensions. If i watched it again i'm sure i'd find a few more in their.

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One easy one is why would rose need to work in universe B when her father, as it was established earlier on in the series is loaded. How does a cyberman cry if they have no tearducts and remove all emotion. How come only 1 dalek out of millions had the brains to shift dimensions. If i watched it again i'm sure i'd find a few more in their.

She wants to work. Why do Stella McArtney and Fifi Geldof work? Besides, she was kidding about working in the shop.

The Cyberman wasn't crying; that was brain fluid. It (her upgrade) was a rush job that hadn't quite worked - hence she still had her old emotions and loyalties.

That 1 Dalek is the only one with a temporal engine. He was part of the 'think tank' researching (and stealing) new technology.

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Well, that had its ups and downs. Lots of good lines, good characterisations, some interesting twists, but it felt a little flat and forced. The 'save-us-hole' and 'void stuff' came out of nowhere, seemingly, and was a bit stupid to think that millions of cybermen and daleks from all over the globe were pulled into it within seconds, yet a couple of people could hold onto a bar and be alright, but I didn't have too big a problem with that. It had to end in some way, didn't it?

But why did the Doctor make Rose go through to the other dimension when he had two grapples to hold onto? He says to her "you'll never be able to see your mother again", but in truth he didn't need to send Jackie through either, 'cos she wasn't contaminated. In fact, had Jackie stayed behind, she would have been able to safely flip the lever for them, and then Rose wouldn't have had to leave 'cos her mother would still be there. It felt really forced.

And I honestly thought she'd end up in the void, and when her dad just appeared out of nowhere at the last second (question: why did he not get sucked in as he appeared, and how did he know where to be at that precise moment?), it felt contrived.

Hey, it may seem like nit-picking, but I'm afraid I can't just turn my brain off at these things. To enjoy something like this, it has to feel right, to make sense, and to not seem convoluted.

Then again, I bloody loved the surprise ending, and can't wait to see the Chrimbo episode. "WHAT?!"

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She wants to work. Why does Stella McArtney or Fifi Geldof work? Besides, she was kidding about working in the shop.

The Cyberman wasn't crying; that was brain fluid. It (her upgrade) was a rush job that hadn't quite worked - hence she still had her old emotions and loyalties.

That 1 Dalek is the only one with a temporal engine. He was part of the 'think tank' researching (and stealing) new technology.

You did well there.

You didn't have to make anything up.

But why did the Doctor make Rose go through to the other dimension when he had two grapples to hold onto to? He says to her "you'll never be able to see your mother again", but in truth he didn't need to send Jackie through either, 'cos she wasn't contaminated. In fact, had Jackie stayed behind, she would have been able to safely flip the lever for them, and then Rose wouldn't have had to leave 'cos her mother would still be there. It felt really forced.

Jackie wanted to be with Pete.

Hence having a baby with him.

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Well, that had its ups and downs. Lots of good lines, good characterisations, some interesting twists, but it felt a little flat and forced. The 'save-us-hole' and 'void stuff' came out of nowhere, seemingly, and was a bit stupid to think that millions of cybermen and daleks from all over the globe were pulled into it within seconds, yet a couple of people could hold onto a bar and be alright, but I didn't have too big a problem with that. It had to end in some way, didn't it?

But why did the Doctor make Rose go through to the other dimension when he had two grapples to hold onto to? He says to her "you'll never be able to see your mother again", but in truth he didn't need to send Jackie through either, 'cos she wasn't contaminated. In fact, had Jackie stayed behind, she would have been able to safely flip the lever for them, and then Rose wouldn't have had to leave 'cos her mother would still be there. It felt really forced.

And I honestly thought she'd end up in the void, and when her dad just appeared out of nowhere at the last second (question: why did he not get sucked in as he appeared, and how did he know where to be at that precise moment?), it felt contrived.

Hey, it may seem like nit-picking, but I'm afraid I can't just turn my brain off at these things. To enjoy something like this, it has to feel right, to make sense, and to not seem convoluted.

Then again, I bloody loved the surprise ending, and can't wait to see the Chrimbo episode. "WHAT?!"

To sum up: Most of it was convoluted shite, the 'war' had no scale what so ever and the Dalek/ Cybermen battle was all hype and no trousers? Entirely correct.*

The last scene is still amazing though. Some brilliant writing and acting there...

Catherine Tate can still get tae fuck.

*EDIT: That pretty much sums up all the problems the new series of Doctor Who has had since it came back. But on a much more dissapointing scale.

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I just realised something; in Army of Ghosts those clamps the Doc and Rose were hanging onto were described as "cancelling mass so you could lift heavy items". So if The Doctor and Rose stuck them to the walls it wouldn't mean they were anchored rather that they'd cancelled the mass of Canary Wharf so it would be sucked into the void with them.

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But why did the Doctor make Rose go through to the other dimension when he had two grapples to hold onto to? He says to her "you'll never be able to see your mother again", but in truth he didn't need to send Jackie through either, 'cos she wasn't contaminated. In fact, had Jackie stayed behind, she would have been able to safely flip the lever for them, and then Rose wouldn't have had to leave 'cos her mother would still be there. It felt really forced.

He didn't think Rose had much chance of surviving (holding on) so the safest thing was to send both her and Jackie to the other side where they would both definitely be safe and together.

(question: why did he not get sucked in as he appeared, and how did he know where to be at that precise moment?), it felt contrived.

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He did get sucked, but he was quick enough to press the button

He didn't know where to be at that precise moment. He'd just spent the last few minutes rowing with Jackie and she eventually persuaded him to attempt the rescue. The timing was luck.

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I just realised something; in Army of Ghosts those clamps the Doc and Rose were hanging onto were described as "cancelling mass so you could lift heavy items". So if The Doctor and Rose stuck them to the walls it wouldn't mean they were anchored rather that they'd cancelled the mass of Canary Wharf so it would be sucked into the void with them.

Only cancels the mass for them - for whoever is holding onto it.

Besides, The Doc probably knew of another use for them. He's an alien, after all.

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The Cyberman wasn't crying; that was brain fluid. It (her upgrade) was a rush job that hadn't quite worked - hence she still had her old emotions and loyalties.

If that's how you want to view it you're welcome, but in my mind a non feeling machine was shown to be crying and i suspect that is how it'll look to most people. Now i've read a few other peoples comments their seem to be more holes than i spotted.

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If that's how you want to view it you're welcome, but in my mind a non feeling machine was shown to be crying and i suspect that is how it'll look to most people.

Of course. That was the whole point. Hardly a plot hole when it's entirely deliberate.

Besides, she wasn't a non-feeling machine - her actions proved that. You were on stronger ground arguing about tear-ducts than emotions.

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Won't the Cybermen who were created behind the rubbish builder's plastic still be left on current Earth? There's no reason they would have been sucked into the void. Also, shouldn't the Tardis get sucked into the void?

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He didn't think Rose had much chance of surviving (holding on) so the safest thing was to send both her and Jackie to the other side where they would both definitely be safe and together.

He's put her in danger before, though, and he took two grapples with him, as though he expected her to stay. The whole setup seemed intent on getting her off the show, whatever the means.

He did get sucked, but he was quick enough to press the button

Oh, lucky him.

He didn't know where to be at that precise moment. He'd just spent the last few minutes rowing with Jackie and she eventually persuaded him to attempt the rescue. The timing was luck.

Oh, lucky him.

I appreciate you coming up with explanations, but it doesn't make me feel it came across as anything other than contrived, unfortunately. <_<

What was everyone else's thoughts on the episode, out of interest, to save me searching through the last 20 pages..?

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Pressing a button in under a second is hardly luck. And standing at the furthest point downstream is just common sense.

He didn't know where she'd be or when she'd be there. If he didn't know she was 'falling', it would have made more sense to stand further away from the void hole, rather than closer to it, where he'd have less time to activate the return journey.

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He didn't know where she'd be or when she'd be there. If he didn't know she was 'falling', it would have made more sense to stand further away from the void hole, rather than closer to it, where he'd have less time to activate the return journey.

He stood where he'd have the best chance of catching her. And he was right. If he'd been further away he would have missed her.

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He didn't know where she'd be or when she'd be there. If he didn't know she was 'falling', it would have made more sense to stand further away from the void hole, rather than closer to it, where he'd have less time to activate the return journey.

It also didn't seem to pull him in. He just stood there.

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