Doctor Who

[BigShimmeryWall]

I can't get past the fact that Davros sounds like Mr Grainger from Are You Being Served?

[NEG]

I hope theres a AND THEN THE ATOMS WILL BECOME ATOMS WILL BECOME ATOMS-like mad shouty rant awaiting us.

[Lorfarius]

It was okay towards the end but that was a pretty poor episode.

[Seamonster]

That was totally bananas and I loved it.

[Comrade]

I enjoyed it, but it occurred to me that Rick and Morty have now kind of rendered Doctor Who redundant.

[LaParka]

For all the things wrong with it, and the frustration from watching it (I'd say big finish audio is now what keeps me a massive fan) I bloody love Who being on telly.

[BruceBruce]

I really hate this show. Good thing it still airs on television so I can watch it..

[Made of Ghosts]

Snake man! Frozen planes! Hands coming out of the ground! The Doc playing a guitar on a tank! Hey guys what is basic story structure again

The actress playing Missy is carrying this.

[Dimahoo]

Snakes and a plane.

[pranny]

That would make for a decent ending if they stopped now. "huhu how will I know which is mine huhuhuhuhuhu "

[Harsin]

First five minutes and last five minutes were okay. The rest might as well have been a slow zoom on Moffatt masturbating on camera for 30 minutes.

[Not Thread Owner]

Obviously the Doctor left Davros to *live*, not die.

[Mogster]

I loved it! I'd forgotten it was a two parter too, so the "TO BE CONTINUED" at the end came as a bit of a surprise. The episode had whizzed by as well.

[Sarlaccfood]

Was missy's head popping out the screen a reference to older Who? It was a bit out the blue and looked a bit CBBC.

[Guest]

Best bit was the door sound effect.

[Made of Ghosts]

I have no real problem with the look of the show, to be honest. That's the one thing that's been worlds better since Moffat took over.

[Lorfarius]

How did he get the tank there out of the Tardis anyway? It was a bit too Bill & Ted with that. Time machine!

[NEG]

Could have temporarily changed the Tardis into uh, something with bigger front doors. - Moffat bullshit

[RJames]

I am really confused by the love in here. That might even be my least favourite episode of all time.

Cryptic muttering, no plot, no narrative, clunky script, no tension at all. I have no idea what's going on at all. Eurgh ????

[NEG]

It's all one big lead up to Doctor and Missy having a 30min snog fest in the last episode.

[Guest]

Wasn't good. I think I'm out now.

[Nick R]

I enjoyed the episode for the way it took all the stuff that tends to appear in series finales, and stuck it in the opening instead. Some things about it I didn't care for (the Doctor knows he's dying again!), but the hand mines, Missy, and the Doctor-as-Doof Warrior made up for it.

But I'm going to focus on a little nit-pick:

There was that line where Missy compares Clara's relationship to the Doctor to the dog being walked around by a couple.

Why were those people even walking past that close (apparently oblivious to the frozen aircraft)? Given the lack of anyone else at all, I assumed that UNIT had cordoned off the whole plaza being covered by their snipers.

If this odd detail had happened in the first episode of the 2010 series (Moffat and Matt Smith's first), right now I'd be speculating that it might be Significant, like the duck pond and the date on Rory's ID badge. But I'm not, because it's now five years later and we've learned that Moffat isn't quite as perfect a writer as we hoped then.

[kensei]

I liked it. So far. I think it is unfair to start complaining about the story structure when we are only halfway through the story.

I tend not to be a fan of this type of ret con in general - the Doctor is there in Davros's childhood! - but the central conceit here is enough to run with it and see how it pans out. The "Doctor is dying!" is a distraction. It's not really the Doctor is dying, he's simply afraid and it is much more about the moral quandary set up at the start.

I don't think Clara or Missy were ever dead; they both had Vortex Manipulators on and Missy has already faked out one disintegration. You can nit pick over the woman with the dog or the tank but they aren't what will determine if this is a good two parter. That'll be down to where this goes next week.

Things moved a little slow, and the tank bit felt like padding. But that was always the problem with two parters. First episode is intrigue and slow, second is jam packed. But everyone wanted more two parters. I think 8 60 minutes would be better.

[Camel]

I think calling out the tank for being shit is perfectly valid. Nothing in part two is going to change that.

[Lorfarius]

I tend not to be a fan of this type of ret con in general - the Doctor is there in Davros's childhood! - but the central conceit here is enough to run with it and see how it pans out. The "Doctor is dying!" is a distraction. It's not really the Doctor is dying, he's simply afraid and it is much more about the moral quandary set up at the start.

But we had all that with Smith very recently. Why do we need it again so quickly? There's no excuse for a shit 2 parter plenty of shows in the past and present manage to make them good no reason for Doctor Who with it's short seasons to suffer.

[kensei]

Why not? Moffat very clearly wanted to revisit the question posed in Genesis and so off he went. If it covers similar themes to some previous eps then so be it, as long as it works. There'll be more episodes that cover different stuff. Most of which probably covered in the series history somewhere.

For whatever reason New Who has a number of two parties that are too slow in the first and too fast on the second - those pitched right are much rarer. Other shows might manage it more regularly but they tend to be continuous and less open ended that Who.

I don't know how this one will play out. So far it has been all set up - the intrigue is enough for me at this point, but I'm looking for pay off next week. The Master is the curious thing for me here, since surely Missy must have some significant role.

Now, my nitpick is that the Doctor was on Skaro for Asylum so I'm not sure why its existence is a shock. I know Moffat just thinks keeping it lined up is impossible so ruck it, but he could at least keep his bit straight.

Oh and there are obvious series threads here too - does anyone think that confession dial isn't in the finale?

[loathsomeleopard]

Asylum was on the ruins of Skaro. Agree that it should be dust (rememberance), but I think the point is that they've rebuilt on the planet, not rebuilt the planet.

[Not Thread Owner]

I think calling out the tank for being shit is perfectly valid. Nothing in part two is going to change that.

But it doesn't matter. It's a tank. That's all. Who cares?

[Camel]

It was a rubbish scene. Scenes that make up a TV show will definitely determine whether the show 'is a good two parter'.

[Lorfarius]

But it doesn't matter. It's a tank. That's all. Who cares?

I care