Doctor Who

[Lag]

Loved the big montage with the Mistress revealing that all of this was to merely show the Doctor that they're just the same.

But they self-evidently aren't the same. It's nonsense.

[NEG]

Ho ho ho... What does a doctor want for Christmas?

I was saving that line for a week or two down the road!

....Jelly babies? Socks? Lump of coal?

[HarMGM]

"Don't do this thing!"

"Aha, but if you do this thing it may stop everyone on the planet being murdered. I bet you want to do it now don't you?"

"Well obviously..."

"Check this guy out, what a hypocrite. Owned!"

Seriously, what a massive bellend.

Massive bellend? Seriously, the guy was ready to face full conversion only for the Doctor to swoop un and give a condensending speech about pain being a gift. Only for the stupid git to start backpeddling when he realised that Danny would have to convert anyway in order to one-up the Master. Saving the entirety of the world i can get, making though decisions in doing so also. But outright reversing on someone's death like that Danny had the doctor pretty well pegged when calling him an officer. Bastard didn't have the guts to get his own hands dirty.

[JohnC]

But they self-evidently aren't the same. It's nonsense.

Yeah but evil genius types often seem to see them as them and the hero being the same. It's a common thread in such rivalries, isn't it? It may be logically nonsense, but evil genius types do tend to be at least partly delusional.

[Harsin]

Massive bellend? Seriously, the guy was ready to face full conversion only for the Doctor to swoop un and give a condensending speech about pain being a gift. Only for the stupid git to start backpeddling when he realised that Danny would have to convert anyway in order to one-up the Master. Saving the entirety of the world i can get, making though decisions in doing so also. But outright reversing on someone's death like that Danny had the doctor pretty well pegged when calling him an officer. Bastard didn't have the guts to get his own hands dirty.

Doctor Who's achievements - Saved the world/galaxy/universe multiple times. Master of Venusian Akido. Swank fashion sense in some incarnations.

Danny Pink's achievements - Was a soldier and won't shut the fuck up about it. Ballsed that up and killed a child anyway. Incessant whining. Shit teacher who cries in front of his class.

I stand by my view. I hope he ended up flat sharing with Adric in the real afterlife.

[HarMGM]

Christ, i'd hate to think what you lot would want to see done to River Song or Jack Harkness.

[footle]

Christ, i'd hate to think what you lot would want to see done to River Song or Jack Harkness.

They can be trapped together in a cupboard in another dimension forever?

[NEG]

I would have answered both killed except death doesn't seem to stop either of them, literally.

[Mr Cochese]

I'm make them both have to appear in Arrow.

[Bacon Horsemeat]

so what happened to Gallifrey then?

[Mogster]

so what happened to Gallifrey then?

Nothing new. The Mistress was lying.

[Professor Puzzles]

They can be trapped together in a cupboard in another dimension forever?

They would sex each other to death within seconds.

[Lorfarius]

So was Danny right to keep comparing the Doctor to a General throughout? Was it a good dig at him at the end? I mean I could sort of see he had a point in a round about way but surely the counter would be someone has to make those sorts of decisions and no matter how you look at it the people at the bottom are always going to suffer?

[Rev]

I quite liked it. It was a bit budget and it was slightly weird that the Cybermen didn't do anything. And Osgood was a bit mean-spirited. And electrocuting the President of Earth and putting him on a plane with his spaceship was a bit odd. But there were some neat ideas, the whole concept of an afterlife possibly being made up by The Master, the boring death of Danny, the lying hug at the end.

I wonder what happened to Gretchen, the soldier who died in 'Into the Dalek'. As she's in the future, she'd have to take over someone else's body or sit in that Timelord hard drive for eternity.

They were collecting minds to put into bodies, from the past present and future. They weren't necessarily putting the minds into the same bodies they left.

[Camel]

So the big cloud threat was nullified by a few explosions in the sky? Why didn't the doctor order the cyber men to do that?

Did Danny and that woman's dad have faulty inhibitors? What a load of bobbins.

The master though. Excellent casting.

[The Bag]

So was Danny right to keep comparing the Doctor to a General throughout? Was it a good dig at him at the end? I mean I could sort of see he had a point in a round about way but surely the counter would be someone has to make those sorts of decisions and no matter how you look at it the people at the bottom are always going to suffer?

The way Danny went on I'm pretty sure he was in First World War, it was the most cliched solider vs officer stuff going. He can fuck off with the whole "shame on you Doctor" bit too, he knows fuck all about him and the only time their paths have crossed he's been trying to save people. Danny's self righteousness never came across well, imo, every interaction they had seemed to be Danny trying to get a certain reaction, then going "look Clara, he reacted!". It could have been interesting a solider with real regrets about what they've done, perhaps PTSD, and a man who inherently dislikes soldiers, but instead he's a waste of a character.

[earlymodernsteve]

So the big cloud threat was nullified by a few explosions in the sky? Why didn't the doctor order the cyber men to do that?

That would have confirmed the Master's notion - deliberately sending them to their deaths. Danny doing it continued the noble sacrifices on the Doctor's behalf.

As for the other question, they had to turn off their emotions in the Nethersphere so presumably the Brigadier didn't either (we saw Danny hesitating over the app).

Neither brilliantly satisfying, but as internally consistent as can be hoped in an overblown series finale.

[Guest]

Cyberman pollen. Fuck off.

[Flams]

What about future Danny? Just a coinkidink?

Also, baws episode.

[Not Thread Owner]

There is no future Danny, but he has a relative.

[SeanR]

There is no future Danny, but he has a relative.

he has offspring. he passed his toy soldier to him, remember?

[Commander Jameson]

The clouds forming over the graveyards and the subsequent rain failling and hands popping out of the ground reminded me of Return of the Living Dead.

[SaintM]

Those guards were terrible. I don't understand why they just stood there as the handcuffs were being toyed with by the big glasses science woman. A damning indictment on the quality of nameless guards in today's UNIT.

[Meh]

What about future Danny? Just a coinkidink?

Also, baws episode.

Moffat seems to forget things that happened earlier quite a bit.

[jonamok]

Cyberman pollen. Fuck off.

Cyberchlorians.

[The Bag]

What about future Danny? Just a coinkidink?

I've got a horrible feeling he'll be back some how at Christmas.

[Fury4k]

Cyberman pollen. Fuck off.

Nanomachines son.

[kensei]

I hated the whole "No wait I'll kill the Master for you at the end". If you are committed to doing it, as Clara and The Doctor already were, you're soul is already damned and haggling over who pulls the trigger won't help.

I also hate power of love endings. Danny's conversion was fully engaged, he should have no choice but to hurt Clara. Did all the other Cybermen not love anyone? The Big Bang was much better for this - Auton Rory couldn't stop himself shooting Amy.

This was so close to being brillant - some neat scenes and troubling themes but just didn't quite get it all together.

[Sidewaysbob]

I still don't understand how the Master came back, when the doctor burned the body ?

[WibbleWorldGiddy]

Did Danny and that woman's dad have faulty inhibitors? What a load of bobbins.

I'm guessing you've never heard of the Brigadier? Here's a few pointers.