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I'm quite amazed at the lengths people will go to deny that anything could possibly be an expression of British nationalism. Have Spiderman swinging in front of an American flag and everyone nods their heads and goes 'such crass nationalism' but talk about British fetishisation in something and out come the accusations of mental illness. Nice, nice.

'Neuroses' was the wrong word - a poor choice and I apologise.

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Comrade

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I'm quite amazed at the lengths people will go to deny that anything could possibly be an expression of British nationalism. Have Spiderman swinging in front of an American flag and everyone nods their heads and goes 'such crass nationalism' but talk about British fetishisation in something and out come the accusations of mental illness. Nice, nice.

Well, if you write a single-paragraph screed that could have been written in extremely small script, and meticulously stapled to the wall of a serial killer's nutty room filled with jars containing human guts and stuff then it's going to get commented on, Rudi.

You can believe that that thinking that Britain is ok and having a base affection for it is some great evil if you like (although it's worth pointing out that you used the UK state ship as proof of your grand theory but somehow forgot that it was also a nightmarish dystopia). Because that's pretty much the furthest "nationalist" statement you can take from children's television show Doctor Who: Stephen Moffat doesn't actively hate the UK. So your great revelation is that Moffat has average, middle-of-the-road political beliefs for this country and is not actually using his TV show to foment revolution.

So, sorry that a light-entertainment TV show doesn't promote your personal, fringe political beliefs I guess. If you're going to use that as a requirement in what you watch then I suspect you're going to have trouble watching any TV in future.

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Liquid Myth

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Well, if you write a single-paragraph screed that could have been written in extremely small script, and meticulously stapled to the wall of a serial killer's nutty room filled with jars containing human guts and stuff then it's going to get commented on, Rudi.

You can believe that that thinking that Britain is ok and having a base affection for it is some great evil if you like (although it's worth pointing out that you used the UK state ship as proof of your grand theory but somehow forgot that it was also a nightmarish dystopia). Because that's pretty much the furthest "nationalist" statement you can take from children's television show Doctor Who: Stephen Moffat doesn't actively hate the UK. So your great revelation is that Moffat has average, middle-of-the-road political beliefs for this country and is not actually using his TV show to foment revolution.

So, sorry that a light-entertainment TV show doesn't promote your personal, fringe political beliefs I guess. If you're going to use that as a requirement in what you watch then I suspect you're going to have trouble watching any TV in future.

There's tons of shows/films/stories that are more progressive than Dr Who, it's hardly something confined to the realms of specialist outlets. Like Terminator 2 for fuck's sake.

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Well, if you write a single-paragraph screed that could have been written in extremely small script, and meticulously stapled to the wall of a serial killer's nutty room filled with jars containing human guts and stuff then it's going to get commented on, Rudi.

You can believe that that thinking that Britain is ok and having a base affection for it is some great evil if you like (although it's worth pointing out that you used the UK state ship as proof of your grand theory but somehow forgot that it was also a nightmarish dystopia). Because that's pretty much the furthest "nationalist" statement you can take from children's television show Doctor Who: Stephen Moffat doesn't actively hate the UK. So your great revelation is that Moffat has average, middle-of-the-road political beliefs for this country and is not actually using his TV show to foment revolution.

So, sorry that a light-entertainment TV show doesn't promote your personal, fringe political beliefs I guess. If you're going to use that as a requirement in what you watch then I suspect you're going to have trouble watching any TV in future.

Was your username chosen for ironic effect? You speak a lot of sanctimonious small-c conservatism for someone calling himself Comrade.

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Isn't the britishness part of Dr Who though?

No, he's Gallifreyan.

Well, if you write a single-paragraph screed that could have been written in extremely small script, and meticulously stapled to the wall of a serial killer's nutty room filled with jars containing human guts and stuff then it's going to get commented on, Rudi.

Sure - by (a) people who make the wrong choice of word or (b) utter fuckwits.

You can believe that that thinking that Britain is ok and having a base affection for it is some great evil if you like (although it's worth pointing out that you used the UK state ship as proof of your grand theory but somehow forgot that it was also a nightmarish dystopia). Because that's pretty much the furthest "nationalist" statement you can take from children's television show Doctor Who: Stephen Moffat doesn't actively hate the UK. So your great revelation is that Moffat has average, middle-of-the-road political beliefs for this country and is not actually using his TV show to foment revolution.

So, sorry that a light-entertainment TV show doesn't promote your personal, fringe political beliefs I guess. If you're going to use that as a requirement in what you watch then I suspect you're going to have trouble watching any TV in future.

Criticism of some thing (e.g. particular portrayals of British politics and politicians, flag-waving Britishness, New Labour Doctor, casual genocide, sexism) doesn't constitute or entail support for some other thing (e.g. promotion of "personal, fringe political beliefs"). One might reasonably infer of criticism of casual genocide that the critic would like less casual genocide or indeed no genocide at all, if it can be helped; it would be unreasonable to infer that the critic believes the programme should promote a policy of pacifism at all costs.

(Incidentally, it is bizarre that Genesis of the Daleks deals with the thorny issue of the Doctor having the power to commit genocide in a rather more nuanced/meaningful/Good way than the more recent efforts. One would think these are more sophisticated times, not less.)

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Retroid

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Back to the norm really, it was an alright episode - lots of elements spattered which *could* have been meaningful or cool but it's all spread so thin with no decent writing to hold it together.

I like the new Dr so I expect there to be a couple of stand-outs this season.

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Dimahoo

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A Wiki'd just ruined it for me. About the cyborg falling scene unless i missed something (about one of them lying in their basic programming).

Ah missy

is the Gatekeeper of the Nethersphere.

Reminds me a bit of Nanny McPhee although she did do an anal scene in the Acid house almost historically meeting Moffats "standards of being gay" (almost as it wasn't a gay scene but it was rather abrasive IIRC)

I don't think many other DW actors have done such a scene. Its disgusting really.

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It is now. It didn't use to be.

And I've no idea what you're driving at with any of your posts here, footle.

Britishness has always been central to the show. It's the most absurd manifestation and celebration of British eccentrism ever put on the screen but the main difference is that it started off as genuine British eccentrics making budget TV and now the Britishness seems more explicitly inserted. I suppose it was probably always marketed as such overseas though. Having said that Moffat and Russell T. are interesting writers but they do definitely have one eye on the US market. Not sure that's a bad thing though.

Whatever, I'm back for Capaldi after finding Tenant and Smith practically unwatchable and I'm staying till the end.

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Dimahoo

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Translation?

Sorry.

I think the Wiki entry for this episode had spoilt it a touch as it gave away what happened to the cyborg after the fight with the Doctor (which i think was meant to be portrayed so you didn't know if the doctor pushed him, or not, and therefore adding his dark mystique).

(reading again - its been changed now to reflect the ambiguity)

The other bit about missy - i know who missy is now.

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Britishness has always been central to the show. It's the most absurd manifestation and celebration of British eccentrism ever put on the screen but the main difference is that it started off as genuine British eccentrics making budget TV and now the Britishness seems more explicitly inserted. I suppose it was probably always marketed as such overseas though. Having said that Moffat and Russell T. are interesting writers but they do definitely have one eye on the US market. Not sure that's a bad thing though.

Whatever, I'm back for Capaldi after finding Tenant and Smith practically unwatchable and I'm staying till the end.

I think you're right. He's been less 'eccentric British' and more 'Chandler Bing' in recent incarnations.

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my son was explaining the difference between Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi to me on the walk home today.

Apparently the man on the phone to clara, at the end, was the doctor, and so was the other man.

so that's cleared that up.

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