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Darren

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I liked the way it tied together all the loose ends, even the ones we thought had been forgotten. Apart from my big one.

We STILL don't know how the Doctor & Clara got out of his timeline after meeting John Hurt at the end of Name of the Doctor. I don't know why it bothers me so much but it really, really does.

But apart from that I thought it was great. Must have been utterly incomprehensible for casual Christmas viewers, but I thought it made perfect sense, and I'd been drinking for 10 hours when I put it on. Perhaps that helped!

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When I saw Capaldi's furious old man face at it end, it struck me how brave a move is was getting rid of the Peter Pan character we've had for years and going back to a potentially grumpy old troughton.

It's akin to a celebrity free Strictly come Dancing but I really hope they pull it off.

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was Clara's granny shoes.

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A Christmas Carol is still the best Christmas special by far for me. It's a proper Christmas story, rather than just one set at (or in) Christmas, but genuinely great.

Going to have to respectfully disagree. I couldn't have hated that episode more, I couldn't have cringed more at it, felt embarrassed watch that one.

Last nights episode had the right idea, by all means make it feel 'Christmassy' but never let it dictate the story. For the record I loved yesterday's episode. Haven't been a fan of the lasts series but got a case of the feels last night.

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I would like to make one very important point. When Clara and the Doctor first teleported down into the snow she was completely naked. They must have been like bullets. They could probably cut glass

I will enjoy remembering this post when I watch it again later.

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I didn't entirely enjoy the episode, it seemed to drag quite a bit- we paused it at one point and I was surprised to see that it was over half way through. I do wonder though, how many of the problems were down to production issues. It seemed to me that if anyone should have been whispering into a time-crack to save the Doctor, it should have been Amy Pond, because that would have bookended her character perfectly also.

Of course, Karen left the show a while back, so it couldn't happen that way, but how much of all this grand arc of the last couple of seasons had already been put in place; scripts worked on, sets, props, sfx, etc? I don't know what's involved in making a show like this, maybe it's taken this long to turn the giant oil tanker around. Maybe Moffat and Gatiss could have found better ways to work around the timing of actors leaving.

I think that the Papal Mainframe/Silence thread possibly deserved either to run through another series, or should have been the main focus of this special's story, rather than being hand-waved into a line of exposition. There did seem to be a lot of "everything but the kitchen sink" being thrown into the story, which pushed a lot of time for actual plot aside. Perhaps this was a final swan-song for most/all of those Who Villains.

Things I am hopeful for:

Clara has always been horribly underwritten, possibly because Amy Pond was always meant to be the Impossible Girl, so there's always been a Karen Gillan shaped hole that had to be filled*; her comment in the truth field suggests there is more to her, and hopefully with a new Doctor, they will develop her into more than a quirky cipher.

The Doctor made a very specific point about saying that saving even one life is a victory. Combined with his promise to remember, I have hopes (time will tell) that Capaldi's Doctor Who run will feature smaller, more character driven stories, than bombast and exploding universes.

Everything from Tennant on should be wrapped up, meaning a genuinely fresh start for Dr Who.

*On reflection, that could sound better, but there it is.

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I think Moffat did a Lucas: ask him four years ago and he could have outlined all the major plot points, but the execution was a bit of a mess.

Dunno on Amy though: surely they could have got Karen for another year? Unless she'd already accepted Guardians of the Galaxy. The really weird thing is 7A felt superfluous, but by the end of 7B and the specials the show was really missing the Ponds.

Hopefully we've got the end of the split series too, it's played a bit of havoc with the show. I wonder if Moff will do a Writer's Tale book when he's done.

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7A was unnecessary. The first time the Ponds were dropped off at the house the Doctor bought for them should have been them done. That would have given Clara more time to settle in. Personally I agree with the comment about the Karen Gillan shaped hole. I think it would have worked far better for Amy to have been the companion across then entire run although it is going to be nice to have companion crossover moving into the reign of Capaldi rather than a completely fresh start. Plus Jenna Coleman has a cracking pair.

They've got a new long term story arc now too. Capaldi has to find a safe way to bring the Time Lords back into this universe. No rush though. Let's have the new man Scottishing his way around the universe a bit first. I'd like him to meet Jack too.

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They've got a new long term story arc now too. Capaldi has to find a safe way to bring the Time Lords back into this universe. No rush though. Let's have the new man Scottishing his way around the universe a bit first. I'd like him to meet Jack too.

You see this is half the problem, the end of Matt and the closing of most of the major storylines means we can actually start something NEW!

Capaldi meets Jack, really? Wouldn't you prefer a new cast of side characters rather than constantly pulling the world apart to bring RTD characters back?

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I liked it, thought the plot more or less held together and gave Matt a good farewell.

I'd say it created a few plot holes, but mostly for stuff that's long-since passed. For example - if the Confessional Priests (or "Silents") were allied to breakaway faction of the church, why did they need to manipulate the course of human history to get them to make a space suit? Couldn't the church have just made them a space-suit?

Also, Clara remains an ongoing problem. We still haven't been given a good reason to care about her as a character. She seems like she would make a perfectly fine companion, but she got too close to the Doctor too quickly, and we don't know anything about her.

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You see this is half the problem, the end of Matt and the closing of most of the major storylines means we can actually start something NEW!

Capaldi meets Jack, really? Wouldn't you prefer a new cast of side characters rather than constantly pulling the world apart to bring RTD characters back?

What can I say. I like Captain Jack and I'm annoyed that RTD broke Torchwood :)

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I would like to make one very important point. When Clara and the Doctor first teleported down into the snow she was completely naked. They must have been like bullets. They could probably cut glass

Whilst he was warming her up with a hug he was deliberately keeping his willy away from her too.

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Dunno on Amy though: surely they could have got Karen for another year? Unless she'd already accepted Guardians of the Galaxy. The really weird thing is 7A felt superfluous, but by the end of 7B and the specials the show was really missing the Ponds.

I had to search out articles from the time, but from doing so, I got the impression that Gillan wanted out of the show, not that her character was out of story.

Something else I read (in the comments on the Telegraph review); someone pointed out that Tasha Lem is/should have been River Song, everything about her was River Song. Maybe Moffat only knows how to write two women*, if it wasn't another case of actor/character removal.

On the subject of Gallifrey, surely (shirley) they won't bring it back? In what way would bringing the Time Lords back not restart the Time War?

*Sally Sparrow is Amy Pond is Clara Oswald.

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So did the whole 'Clara goes into Doctor's timeline to save her throughout his life from The Intelligence' happen or not? If not, the whole of season 7 is pointless then? Or at least the second half.

Considering yet again that the ending of name of the doctor is ignored (how the fuck can Doctor step out of his own timeline so easily with Clara intact) this all smells of write shit as you go.

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What's that supposed to mean exactly? I mean I struggle to understand how you can suggest I'm too stupid to survive childhood or whatever, whilst just a few posts ago you admitted that you failed to follow the plot of the latest episode of doctor who.

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So much Fridge logic in the episode.

If 11 knew he was out of regenerations - why did he try on the beach with the astronaut? Or when poisoned by River?

Does these mean his grave isn't on Trenzalore? So why is Clara still around since she

Didn't anyone think it's odd that 12 turned up at the climax of Day of the Doctor? Or Old Tom? Surely that must have made 11 question the 'out if lifes' thing?

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