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WibbleWorldGiddy

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So how come Paul McGann Doctor didn't regenerate into Christopher Ecclestone at some point?

RTD thought it would alienate new viewers of the 2005 relaunch if he introduced Paul McGann then killed him off in the first few minutes of Rose.

There were plans to show the McGann-Ecclestone regeneration in comic form around that time. Skip to 16:30 of the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7455HYT2I'>8th Doctor - Stripped for Action video for details.

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JohnC

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Yeah, I saw him turn into John Hurt. I haven't kept up with Dr Who lore really for a long time but I thought McGann came before Ecclestone, not McGann > Hurt > Ecclestone.

That's sort of the point. McGann>Ecclestone is how everyone thought it went, but there was a secret Doctor in between who seems to have done very un-Doctor stuff to end the war and was then basically hidden. Presumably actual details will come out in the special.

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Mogster

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I've been barrelling through season 2 of the Eighth Doctor audios, and the final two partner is excellent so far. It features Alexander Siddig as an alien centipede cop, and coincidentally McGann's first meeting with the Sisterhood of Karn. :)

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Mr Cochese

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They're not different people remember. Eccles is Hurt is Troughton is Baker is Smith etc

You missed the point. We're told that the Doctor doesn't talk about when he was John Hurt because of the awful things he had to do, but actually he talked about it a lot. The only thing we didn't know was that there was another guy after McGann.
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The details of what he did during the time war isn't secret, you know. End of Time pretty much told all. He chose to destroy (time bubble!) his entire race along with the daleks.

So the special being about the same thing does disappoint, but I'm sure there'll be timey wimey stuff to change events slightly maybe.

Main thing that bothers me is that I'd prefer if RTD wrote the story. Like Moffat ever gave a shit about time war stuff. It was all Eccelstone/Tennent era.

Edit: of course, saying that, he did write the Mcgann mini pretty damn well.

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So Ecclestone is actually the 23rd doctor instead of the 22nd like we always thought he was or something.

Eccleston is the 10th, Tennant is 11th, Smith is 12th, and Capaldi is 13th (the theoretical time lord regeneration limit).

However, Moffat has hinted that we're forgetting something about the number of regenerations, which most likely points either to Tennant's partial regeneration in Journey's End, or to River Song's regeneration donation in Let's Kill Hitler. Or maybe both.

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Except they're still the 9th, 10th and 11th Doctors of course. Hurt is the same person but didn't take the title. Doctor no more and all that.

Somehow I don't see The War Doctor as much of a title change. (Named that in the Mcgann credits)

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Somehow I don't see The War Doctor as much of a title change. (Named that in the Mcgann credits)

The Doctor was even less of a change, which he was labelled as in the Hurt reveal. Neither are his actual title, if he takes one at all.

Anyway to quote Stephen Moffat:

I've been really very careful about the numbering of the Doctors. He's very specific, the John Hurt Doctor, that he doesn't take the name of the Doctor. He doesn't call himself that. He's the same Time Lord, the same being as the Doctors either side of him, but he's the one who says, 'I'm not the Doctor.' So the Eleventh Doctor is still the Eleventh Doctor, the Tenth Doctor is still the Tenth... Technically, if you really counted it, the David Tennant Doctor is two Doctors, on account of the Meta-Crisis Doctor. It's not a matter of counting the regenerations, but of counting the faces of the Time Lord that calls himself the Doctor. There's an anomaly Doctor slotted in somewhere, that's all. In the script to The Day of the Doctor, Matt's Doctor was called the Eleventh and David's was called the Tenth, so the numbering stays exactly the same - and we call Peter Capaldi the Twelfth Doctor.

So there you go!

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I think its interesting he's mentioned 10 having two regenerations. That would mean that Matt is technically the 13th ie all regens done. Given we saw his tomb in the Name of the Doctor, I wonder if he's gearing up to deal with it at Christmas.

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I think its interesting he's mentioned 10 having two regenerations. That would mean that Matt is technically the 13th ie all regens done. Given we saw his tomb in the Name of the Doctor, I wonder if he's gearing up to deal with it at Christmas.

The "x many regens" thing has been rewritten at least twice. It's not a limit any more.

In fact, in Sprite Machine's reviews of previous episodes, I'm pretty sure he mentions that at some point it's mentioned there could be hundreds.

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