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I can't really remember Tennant ever speaking directly about it. Perhaps at the end of season 2 and 4 with him recollecting being in some important place. In any case, he never talked about what he actually had to do in order to end the entire war.

I thought he explained (in the episode where every human on Earth became Bernard Sumner) that he removed Gallifrey and the Daleks from space-time, along with the Whatjamacallits and the Wheredoyouwhatnows, and billions of lives were lost as collateral damage.

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Made of Ghosts

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Plot arcs:

1. Clara has lived multiple lives over various time periods.

2. What is the Doctor's name?

Solutions:

1. Clara walks into a magical time vortex thing allowing her to live multiple lives over various time periods.

2. Dunno.

Not the most satisfying plot resolutions in the world.

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Plot arcs:

1. Clara has lived multiple lives over various time periods.

2. What is the Doctor's name?

Solutions:

1. Clara walks into a magical time vortex thing allowing her to live multiple lives over various time periods.

2. Dunno.

Not the most satisfying plot resolutions in the world.

That kind of sums it up - nothing gets resolved, things just get shifted into the next story arc. Silence will fall? Wasted. Exploding Tardis? Never mentioned again(?) Who caused that? John Q. MacGuffin. And so on, and so on.

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At least it was better than last season's.

Plot arc:

The Doctor gets shot dead and a man appears and goes "I'm presenting this sworn affidavit that that was the Doctor and he is now dead".

Solution:

It was a robot lol.

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That kind of sums it up - nothing gets resolved, things just get shifted into the next story arc. Silence will fall? Wasted. Exploding Tardis? Never mentioned again(?) Who caused that? John Q. MacGuffin. And so on, and so on.

The thing about these is that they must have been explained and everyone's just forgotten. Every now and then I'm reminded that I don't know the conclusions to those threads and it doesn't make sense that they haven't explained them...
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The Silence blew up the TARDIS. Why are people debating this? It was explained at the time. Yes, it creaks if you run them into each other. Why did the Silence want to stop the Doctor going to his grave? But generally its a bit of a macguffin to propel the series a bit.

The cracks were by far Moffat's best, and had the most satisfying resolution. Clara was pretty good too, but to be honest needed a full season and a few more deaths to cement the character. But it's just his style, and a bit more to my tastes than RTDs random words. The next bloke will do something else, and there'll be posts lamenting the lack of timey whimeyness, much like the retrospective RTD love.

That was a genuinely good Ep though, and set up the 50th nicely, and easily Moffs best since Day of the Moon. I think season 7 will look better in retrospect, a bit like how 6 looks worse.

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The thing about these is that they must have been explained and everyone's just forgotten. Every now and then I'm reminded that I don't know the conclusions to those threads and it doesn't make sense that they haven't explained them...

So you're saying... our memories of the resolutions have been consumed by the cracks in time as a plot point in itself! Great.

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Plot arcs:

1. Clara has lived multiple lives over various time periods.

2. What is the Doctor's name?

Solutions:

1. Clara walks into a magical time vortex thing allowing her to live multiple lives over various time periods.

2. Dunno.

Not the most satisfying plot resolutions in the world.

I thought that got resolved pretty well if anything. Rather than resolving it by way of actually revealing his real name, the episode turned it around and said that it was about the importance of the 'Doctor' identity itself and what it means to live up to that title.

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Rory and Amy left because they got old.

The TARDIS couldn't go back to New York because if the paradox resolution, and you can go Aha! They can take the train to Boston but its as easy to assume the timelines were fucked, or the Angels sucking their energy put them at risk, or just note the fact that Amy chose to leave rather than let the Doctor come up with a solution so he respected her choice.

Not absolutely everything needs explained to the tiniest detail.

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Why did the Silence want to stop the Doctor going to his grave?

Because Withnail intended to enter the Doctor's timey wimey and snuff out billions of lives. Withnail could only enter the Doctor's timey wimey if he had the password (which was "John Hurt") and only the Doctor knew it.

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I don't think the last one was the end of the universe. More "the bad guys win". Which may not have suited the Silence. But yeah, doesn't really hold up. I'd prefer if the Grand Moff had planned things out a teensy bit better rather than saying it is all a bit if fun. It really is more fun when things slot in correctly. But they've been essentially making shit up as they go along for 50 years, so why start arguing now.

The great thing is, both the cracks and the Doctor's timeline being attacked are great at explaining inconsistencies.

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Right, I can say this on here and not get flamed to death as I would on OG. I've been watching since 1979. I have all the classic DVDs, I love the new series, I am a DW diehard nerd. When I recently went bankrupt and was selling everything, my ex wife ordered me not to sell my 11 Doctor action figures.

That was fucking bobbins. Fanwank of the highest order.

1) Contradicted The Doctors Wife, not a 30 year old episode, 1 season back. Under the same show runner. And in a story head and shoulders above the others.

2) Anyone old enemy could have been the one to open the tomb. REG is wasted (though he gives an ace performance as always)

3) How is his secret discovered? And whats to stop everyone from finding out now, kidnap a companion, and open it up. Oh, and kill themselves in the process.

4) Vastra talks about the Doctor dying in the asylum of the daleks, on Androzani etc. So Clara saves him in the asylum. The 5th doctor on Androzani? Nah, fuck him, he needs to die

5) Clara has had zero character growth. Not Jenna Louise Colemans fault, she has been great, but the material she has been given is awful. And this character, who is not even close to the Doctor, has not seen the major good he does, gives up her life for him?

6) Jenny dying. "I left the door unlocked". But the bad guys can appear anywhere and move through stuff, so that doesn't matter. But her talking while she is killed is brilliant, lovely writing. Then Strax waves a tricorder at her and everything is fine. Anyone else notice that no-one stays dead in Moffats stuff.

7) The kiss. Keep the shipping to yourself Moff.

8) Awful, awful CGI

This wasn't Doctor Who for me, it was Buffy. Which I love too, but it's a different kind of show. But a lot of fans and critics seem to have loved it, so what do I know.

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I would still quite like Richard E. Grant as the next Doctor, they could explain it away as he was so emeshed in his timeline his next regeneration looked like him or something.

Won't happen though, as we've seen there's a sizeable audience who will only watch if they can imagine the Doctor doing things to them with his sonic screwdriver.

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I would still quite like Richard E. Grant as the next Doctor, they could explain it away as he was so emeshed in his timeline his next regeneration looked like him or something.

Won't happen though, as we've seen there's a sizeable audience who will only watch if they can imagine the Doctor doing things to them with his sonic screwdriver.

100% agree. He was great in his brief chance, only as a voice, in Shalka, he would make a great Doctor. But as you say, they won't have a more complex version now, which is a shame.

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If John Hurt really is a secret regeneration of Doctor Who, that will make the next Doctor the 13th and final incarnation.

According to tautological Who adventure The Deadly Assassin, a timelord's final incarnation resembles a kind of withered, emaciated husk. Assuming that his character in Game Of Thrones has been killed off by then, MacKenzie Crook would be the obvious choice.

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5) Clara has had zero character growth. Not Jenna Louise Colemans fault, she has been great, but the material she has been given is awful. And this character, who is not even close to the Doctor, has not seen the major good he does, gives up her life for him?

Stephen Moffat can't write women. Amy had exactly the same problem, but with nonsensical twists added in too (from trying to sleep with the doctor, to being super-doting to Rory, to not really fussing much about the fact her daughter had disappeared a bit) to make it seem like she'd changed but with no real explanation. In both cases I feel really sorry for the actresses as it's a big chunk of their CV and they were given very little to work with.

See also: Coupling. One of the best comedy programs ever, if you fast forward the women entirely. Fast forward the men by accident and it's one of the worst.

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