Doctor Who

[Harsin]

Mind you, if the finale is set at the doctors grave, shouldn't the fan base be slightly peeved that Moffat has essentially written that The Doctor WILL die one day?

I think people are going to be more pissed at this if it turns out to be true.

When the Doctor and Clara first arrive on Trenzalore, they see River Song's gravestone next to the Doctor's tomb. However, upon entering the tomb they find River (post-library River, having been downloaded from the mainframe into a biologically grown body in the 105th(?) century) very much alive. As it turns out this is the final resting place of the Doctor (and his wife) in the future.

[Davros sock drawer]

Sweet. I will watch it.

It won't be as scary as you remember, but it's not bad.

[Jug McKenzie]

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[zxcvbnm]

fuuuuu.......

[Mr Cochese]

Lulwut?

[keineboom]

Meh!

On reflection, I'm really disappointed with Moffat's tenure as show runner. Can just imagine his smug Scottish face as he comes up with another 'clever' idea, like 'let's kill hitler' for example.

[Hexx]

Meh!

On reflection, I'm really disappointed with Moffat's tenure as show runner. Can just imagine his smug Scottish face as he comes up with another 'clever' idea, like 'let's kill hitler' for example.

The problem is that Moffat has loads of clever ideas, so much of his tenure has either been "too many in a single episode", or that the mechanics of getting to the clever idea/scene/wordplay have been really clunky.

Other problem I like River, but they've never really (other than maybe in the Library) shown why the Doctor would love her more than any other companion.

Still enjoyed the episode, but it suffered from being mostly a set up piece for the 50th...

[The Bag]

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[cassidy]

Well I had no issues with any of it. Loved it.

[Sidewaysbob]

I liked it... And so did my son.... And so did my wife.

Job done in this house hold

[NEG]

MY FACE IS MELTING

[HarMGM]

Liked it quite a bit, suggests Moffat has a very clear gameplan for the 50th.

You lot must be pretty happy that River is finally gone though.

[Jack]

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[Mr Cochese]

Doctor Who? Doctor WHO? Etc...

[SqueakyG]

Ha, that was awesome and crap at the same time! I'm a bit fatigued by Moffat's mindfuckery. That was a great LORE episode, but quite scrappy as a piece of drama.

My guess about John Hurt:

He's not the next Doctor of course, but they seem to be saying he's one of the Doctor's regenerations. My best guess is that he's the one between McGann and Eccleston, and he's responsible for the Time War.

[Peter St John]

THE CARTMEL MASTERPLAN LIVES

[JohnC]

I thought he was implying he isn't one of the regenerations at all, but something like his true inner self, the real persona hidden inside all the regenerations. If that makes sense.

[Hello Goaty ♥]

https://vine.co/v/bE9Dg51EI10/embed

[Hello Goaty ♥]

Anyway, I want at least 5 episodes with John hurt in it please.

[HarMGM]

Wasn't his inner self played by Toby Jones before?

That was his inner 'darker' self, the Dreamlord. This seems to be either a 'basic' persona for the Doctor, from which every other regenaration is derived. Or it could be that this is the Doctor that ended the Time War and destroyed Gallifrey, hence the Eleventh not taking a shine to him.

[Fader209]

Well that was a bit disappointing.

I'm getting rather tired of these recent seasons of Who where they cram far too much in to one episode when it would make far more sense to be spread over two to three hours. Like with tonights, wouldn't it have been great to see the universe without the Doctor a bit more in depth with the repercussions hitting harder and showing more doom & gloom? We got 5 minutes of stars going out and a couple of characters died. THEN it all gets fixed by Clara in the same amount of time. AND THEN the Doctor some how drags her back out to safety....
Just cut out the lengthy River Song rubbish and give us a bit more real content. Still not entirely sure how she opened the tomb, was that glossed over quick so I missed it?

[HarMGM]

Personally I quite liked the fact that the episode didn't focus on showing us doom and gloom over the rest of the universe. We've had that bothersome plot point over the last...what was it now? Three seasons?

[WibbleWorldGiddy]

Well, that was distinctly OK-ish.

One thing that puzzles me though. Why did Clara only meet 11 Doctors? I would have thought that RichE Grant would have tried to destroy every iteration of The Doctor in the timeline, not just the ones up to that point.

[JoeK]

Like pretty much all of the last couple of series episodes there's plenty to like in them, but just as much that I get annoyed at. They always feel so rushed and haphazard. I'd much rather they gave me a nice long winding story spread over a number of episodes.

Also - for those of us not blessed with wonderful 5,1 surround sound and all that other high tech stuff, all this season I've been forced to bung on the subtitles as the sound veers wildly between dead quiet and blowing my ear drums off.

[DeNeo]

Before he turned round

I thought he was going to turn out to be a Time War-ravaged 8th Doctor

[Commander Jameson]

Before he turned round

I thought he was going to turn out to be a Time War-ravaged 8th Doctor

Yes. I was wondering the same. He did have that look from the back.

[Hexx]

I thought he was implying he isn't one of the regenerations at all, but something like his true inner self, the real persona hidden inside all the regenerations. If that makes sense.

I thought they implied it was a previous regeneration, but he wasn't "Doctor Like" in his outlook/actions, and so he rejected the name "Doctor", and later Doctor's rejected him.

So while Smith is the 11th Doctor, he's the 12 regeneration of thisTimelord.

Edit - Given what we've seen "on screen" he'd have to be between 8 and 9. If 8 ended the Time War - then he might have been so damaged by his actions to be "Non Doctor" like.

[Vorgot]

He might still well be.

All the other Doctors where shown, except for number 8. Now that either has to be because of rights to the TV movie, or a plot point. And they have used stills from the movie before, so it may be a plot point. Clara clearly says that Matt Smith is the Eleventh Doctor, so John Hurt is either a future doc, an in between doc or a war ravaged, older 8th Doc. Who knows.

[HarMGM]

I have to say that the reveal is a very clever way of dealing with the fact that we never say McGann regenerate into Ecclestone.

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[Fireproofradiator]

I hope this isn't going to be like Back to the Future 2.

I don't think it's gonna be easy to avoid a kind of airlessness - or creakiness, based on this evening's samples - if they're splicing Eleven and Clara into old footage. I know it's a pain having to explain the actors being older but Timecrash was amazing. It's not the end of the world if they're a bit older and it feels like a proper celebration, rather than having a birthday party populated with life-size cutouts of your friends.

Which is what I always wind up doing.

Also, I thought Eleven was suggesting at the end that he (and his previous regens) isn't actually The Doctor and that HurtDoc is the 'real' doctor, but it was a bit opaque. Mention of the Valeyard makes me wonder if Moffat will try and bring the Richard E Grant Shalka Doctor into canon in some way too. Android Master from that would be teh cool.