The Rllmuk Metal Thread

[moosegrinder]

If I had my way, any fuckbar that posted comments on youtube without proper grammatical use of english would be hunted down and then forced to eat an Oxford English Dictionary page by page while being repeatedly kicked in the genitals by a very large navvy wearing hobnails. God I fucking hate youtube.

Also, seeing as thrash seems to be on the rise again, anyone know owt about these?

The bit of card on the front in HMV says for fans of Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory (I'm assuming it's them, it was covered by the sticker) Municipal Waste et al.

[Transient Curse]

So I'm listening to the new Metallica tracks on youtube, as the player on metallica.com ain't working for me.

If anyone's bored by the Metalli-debate going on in this thread, at least we haven't had any comments like this:

:wtf! metallica rnt pop there real metalz! even tho they spend hourz recordin and prodcuin dere music they still true to dere rootz! fuck off and die metallicaa 4 lyf! metal will liv on! Lol. Fuck metal "

Amazing.

I really think we should take a stand against it. We'll fail eventually though. I can't find a particularly reliable source but look at this:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/New_Zealand_st...nguage_in_exams

[Kevvy Metal]

If I had my way, any fuckbar that posted comments on youtube without proper grammatical use of english would be hunted down and then forced to eat an Oxford English Dictionary page by page while being repeatedly kicked in the genitals by a very large navvy wearing hobnails. God I fucking hate youtube.

Also, seeing as thrash seems to be on the rise again, anyone know owt about these?

The bit of card on the front in HMV says for fans of Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory (I'm assuming it's them, it was covered by the sticker) Municipal Waste et al.

Toxic Holocaust.

Aye, I heard them Linked off a Municipal Wastes' Myspace page. They sound a little more to the Death Metal side.

I'm loving this Thrash Metal resurgence. It seems to be pushed hard by Earache records. Just about all of these new Thrash bands have records out on Earache.

Municipal Waste. (a bit too punk imo)

Bonded by Blood. (awesome! sounds a lot like Exodus, unsurprisingly)

Violator. (FUCKING awesome)

Evile. (lot like Slayer)

THE ALBUM COVERS!!!

lol

[SomeNaiveChump]

A real V2 rip has now leaked (as well as a fake one, watch out!) and I've given it a few listens.

Death Magnetic is riddled with cliché and self-parody as well as awful drumming and even worse (somehow) guitar solos. Inexplicable decisions such as ridiculous loudness mastering and blatant pop autotune combine forces to make it practically unlistenable. 2/5

[moosegrinder]

You do realise that post makes sense to no-one but you, Synch? Apart from the self parody and drumming bits.

[Lovelyman]

What is loudness mastering?

Also, I can only hear autotune in TDTNC.

I like it a lot. It is a lot better on a stereo than headphones.

[Twinbee]

You do realise that post makes sense to no-one but you, Synch? Apart from the self parody and drumming bits.

It's like when Talvalin talks about tremolo tri-picked riffing in down-tuned B-minor on Death Metal records

I'm just nodding and saying 'OK', like if someone tries to talk to me about sport or cars at the pub.

[moosegrinder]

Like F1. The 3 other people in the office were on about how Hamilton was robbed. It's so fucking duuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllllllllllllllll. Saying that, 2 of them drive BMW's.

[SomeNaiveChump]

What is loudness mastering?

Modern mastering technique where everything is compressed and distorted to sound as loud as possible for the radio rather than mastered properly to sound good, retaining the music's dynamics and leaving the volume control to the listener.

For examples listen to the loud remaster of The Colour and The Shape and then the original, or compare Blood Sugar Sex Magik to Californication, the loudest and shittiest mastering job ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

In short, it's why the record sounds like total shit before you've even started trying to listen to the content.

[Transient Curse]

What is loudness mastering?

Also, I can only hear autotune in TDTNC.

I like it a lot. It is a lot better on a stereo than headphones.

The final stage of recording an album before presenting something to be pressed is called mastering. As time has gone by people have sought to make their albums as loud as possible so they stand out on the radio etc at the expense of dynamics, musicality and arguably sound quality. Some albums have been termed unlistenable due to their extremely compressed and distorted sound as a result of extreme mastering.

[Transient Curse]

Modern mastering technique where everything is compressed and distorted to sound as loud as possible for the radio rather than mastered properly to sound good, retaining the music's dynamics and leaving the volume control to the listener.

For examples listen to the loud remaster of The Colour and The Shape and then the original, or compare Blood Sugar Sex Magik to Californication, the loudest and shittiest mastering job ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

In short, it's why the record sounds like total shit before you've even started trying to listen to the content.

Oops! Sorry, didn't think you were coming back so soon.

[SomeNaiveChump]

[Lovelyman]

Like adverts too then.

Why don't the spastics do radio and normal masters then?

[Transient Curse]

Like adverts too then.

Why don't the spastics do radio and normal masters then?

It's a good question, I've wondered if as people's sound reproduction equipment gets better there'll be a market, not only for audiophile hi-fi but also for "audiophile" pressings of albums. I suspect however that most people can't tell the difference most of the time. Certainly the sounds of people's car stereos distorting and mangling tracks at extreme volumes suggests that a lot of people only care about volume in the end anyway.

A friend of mine teaches audio production and he says that a lot of the guys who want to make urban music create fucking awful mixes purely because the way they listen to music informs them of how it should sound. Not the same thing here but I imagine that people would moan if a new album came out and it seemed significantly quieter than everything else. Undertow by Tool annoyed me for that reason if I'm honest.

RE: Adverts, What's slightly more annoying is that radio and tv have their own compression routines running so an extremely compressed album (or any album) will end up being compressed again if it's broadcast.

EDIT: My earlier point about people's hi-fi equipment is probably total shit. I imagine more people than ever are listening on crappy equipment. Desktop speakers playing low bitrate mp3's will likely be the most common way of listening to music if not now then really soon.

[Twinbee]

Well most of my music is listened to on my ipod (with the original headphones), on my computer, or on a portable CD player in my kitchen, so hopefully I won't be too narked.

Even I can tell the drumming's a bit off in places, though.

[Transient Curse]

ipod (with the original headphones),

[Transient Curse]

Also, I can only hear autotune in TDTNC.

I totally am not hearing this.

[moosegrinder]

Well most of my music is listened to on my ipod (with the original headphones), on my computer, or on a portable CD player in my kitchen, so hopefully I won't be too narked.

Even I can tell the drumming's a bit off in places, though.

Yeah, true.

Although, original headphones? Fucking hell man, even I can tell a shit set of headphones. Get some CX300's. They're bargainlicious.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-CX300-E...6444&sr=8-1

[Lovelyman]

I totally am not hearing this.

Is that not what is happening at 1:40, when he sings 'lies'? I have to say that's the only funny bit I noticed, and maybe it sounded worse on the track they put out than on the album. I've got no experience in production or anything so I might just be imagining it.

[SomeNaiveChump]

There's hilarious autotune all over the whole record. Sounds like a vocoder half the time. Good rock vocals are not perfectly in key.

[Transient Curse]

Is that not what is happening at 1:40, when he sings 'lies'? I have to say that's the only funny bit I noticed, and maybe it sounded worse on the track they put out than on the album. I've got no experience in production or anything so I might just be imagining it.

It's genuinely quite hard for me to listen to it objectively because it's all distorted but well done for spotting that (blindingly obvious though it may have been to others ), I think you're right. I feel a bit stupid now for not having been more critical with my listening (yes, more critical of a new metallica album, lolz).

Mentally, I'm hearing it all over the chorus now I've paid attention. "Sunshine never come-um-um-ums" all those bits in the chorus sound very tuned now.

I've just realised whilst typing that I've exclusively been listening to my yarr'd copy. I might download my Mission Metallica version just to be really disappointed in myself for not noticing.

EDIT: Oh There is no Mission Metallica TDTNC.

EDIT:http://www.youtube.com/user/MetallicaTV?ob=1 I can't believe I didn't notice that before. Straight up, that's insane.

[Twinbee]

Yeah, true.

Although, original headphones? Fucking hell man, even I can tell a shit set of headphones. Get some CX300's. They're bargainlicious.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-CX300-E...6444&sr=8-1

Heh, I put the headphone comment in, because I knew you'd make a comment - you've told me off before about them

I like the shape of them. They're comfy, even though the rubbery bits have mostly peeled off.

[Lovelyman]

Of course some of it could be him doing vocal vibrato or whatever - the live version at leeds seemed pretty in tune anyway - why bother?

[Transient Curse]

Of course some of it could be him doing vocal vibrato or whatever - the live version at leeds seemed pretty in tune anyway - why bother?

Being an expert on the song now ( ) It's definitely not vibrato. It's him singing out of tune and it being corrected. People are less critical of live performances than studio ones.

[jonathanhoey]

Kirk Hammett should have his guitars taken forcibly away from him.

[moosegrinder]

At the risk of sounding like I'm spitting my dummy out, isn't anyone else getting bored of this? I sure as hell fucking am.

[jonathanhoey]

At the risk of sounding like I'm spitting my dummy out, isn't anyone else getting bored of this? I sure as hell fucking am.

Obviously you're talking about Metallica, but what bit do you mean? The anti-Tallica comments, or just the whole discussion?

FWIW, this week I have mostly been listening to Strapping Young Lad, Stabbing Westward and Tomahawk.

[moosegrinder]

Well, the pulling apart of it really. It's pretty fucking tiresome. There isn't any band in the world that would make people go to this kind of lengths to rip apart and find fault and generally try to tear it down than Metallica, it's like people WANT it to be shit. And you (universal you, not you you) can argue that "Metallica shouldn't have to resort to these techniques". Well, maybe not, but either fucking enjoy it, or don't. Don't spend hours finding things to fault. I have no idea what some of you are yammering on about, and I'll most likely love it anyway so I suppose this little rant is of minute consequence anyway, but for fucks sake, give it a fucking rest and talk about something else.

[Transient Curse]

Obviously you're talking about Metallica, but what bit do you mean? The anti-Tallica comments, or just the whole discussion?

FWIW, this week I have mostly been listening to Strapping Young Lad, Stabbing Westward and Tomahawk.

I was thinking of Stabbing Westward the other day.

Without wishing to offend anyone, I wish that there'd be more discussion and debate in the sort of detail that has accompanied this Metallica release. I had thought about how this is a "metal" not "metallica" thread but how it was nice to have regular contributors offering their thoughts on one subject. IMO I think this is what the Music folder should be for, not endless lists which is what most threads are IMO. Not suggesting that you're saying "come on! List some things!" but at the same time I understand your frustration and lack of interest.

[Twinbee]

I listened to Burden by Opeth on repeat all the way into work today. I think it's bloody marvellous.

His vocals are fantastic* - particularly impassioned on this one. Loving the awesome Hammond solo in the middle too.

*if it's been vocodered, autotuned, loudness optimised or anything else, I don't care. Sounds great on my ipod