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Twinbee

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Golly, this thread has seen some rampant action this last 24 hours - I only switched my computer off yesterday at about 10am!

I'm unnerved by the fact I'm the number 1 poster in this thread. Maybe I should get out more, or use more websites.

Getting v excited for the O2 show - apparently my mate's ticket confirmation says 18.30 - you reckon this is doors, or show start time? Also, I'm wondering if there'll be any support - I doubt it somehow, with it being an 'album celebration'.

Also, do you reckon they'll have snipers installed in the rafters, looking out for anyone who looks like they already know the songs which haven't been officially released? Would give the show a certain 'edge', I guess.

I'm in BK 105, row W. If the show is 'in the round' then we should have a pretty decent view of things. I'm not surprised they're not doing full pyro - they couldn't afford it if the ticket sales are only gonna amount to £100k (20k x £5).

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Same here, except I loved the first 4 Metallica albums, I've only managed to listen to the first 2 songs on the way into work and I like what I heard.

I think you either misread my post or I was a bit vague. Probably the latter.

I love the first four LPs, never liked anything after those, and this is the first since then that I've enjoyed at all.

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DM is decent.

Things that would improve it (that are actually possible, i.e. not no lars lol):

1) Cut the times of most of the songs. They are starting to get old by the end.

2) The first two songs are pretty much the worst things on there.

3) The production (I hope this is only due to the rip) is awfully dense, in a bad way. It wears you out listening. The songs lengths don't help.

4) Being heavy and melodic are not mutually exclusive.

Some of the rhyming couplets in the lyrics are embarassing.

:lol:

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DM is decent.

Things that would improve it (that are actually possible, i.e. not no lars lol):

1) Cut the times of most of the songs. They are starting to get old by the end.

2) The first two songs are pretty much the worst things on there.

3) The production (I hope this is only due to the rip) is awfully dense, in a bad way. It wears you out listening. The songs lengths don't help.

4) Being heavy and melodic are not mutually exclusive.

Some of the rhyming couplets in the lyrics are embarassing.

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1) I think all their stuff would benefit from this tbh.

2) I like track 2 the best I think EDIT: I actually think I mean track 1. Not even kidding!

3) It's a poor quality rip.

4) Not sure what you're getting at.

Post your favourites.

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I prefer My Apocalypse, but then I haven't got the album yet :lol:

Definitely prefer Cyanide, about the only song on the album that doesn't seem a bit too flabby. All Nightmare Long just before it could definitely lose a few pounds, for a start. Plus Cyanide seemed to work really nicely in context...My Apocalypse seems a bit like they forgot to put it on so flung it in at the end. A bit.

I'm enjoying it all though really. Not gonna win any awards, but it's decent enough. :wub:

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1) I think all their stuff would benefit from this tbh.

2) I like track 2 the best I think EDIT: I actually think I mean track 1. Not even kidding!

3) It's a poor quality rip.

4) Not sure what you're getting at.

Post your favourites.

Re 4) I can't really elucidate, It's possibly another symptom of the quality.

My favourites are:

All Nightmare Long. The Day That Never Comes. The Judas Kiss. Broken, Beat and Scarred.

What's your verdict then Wah? Are you reserving judgement? I've listened a few times and I really think I maybe should have waited until a proper leak / I had the CD. No going back now!

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What's your verdict then Wah? Are you reserving judgement?

I've listened to it a few times now, I think there's some good stuff on there, some really nice hooks and a lot of stuff that just passes me by. There's some wicked riffs, I think the vocal melodies are pretty good, the drums aren't upsetting me and it all sounds good and intense, it genuinely surprises me how good it is after for about 10 years thinking they're one of the most uninteresting, bafflingly popular bands I can think of.

I can't remember a single guitar solo, I paid attention to the one on Broken, Beat and Scarred earlier. It's just shit, noise but not in a good way. The one on The End Of The Line is the same, just a load of crap. Like someone trying to lose control and be crazy but worrying what their mum will think. As a result I think they stink.

I agree with you that the songs are too long and would be better had they been edited. I still think that about the end of TDTNC, but the song itself has grown on me, just that the song finishes 2 minutes before the timer on my iPod says it does.

Overall, right now it's the only Metallica album I'd have in the house. Or something like that. I think they've done shockingly well, I think they've turned out a good album which is pretty intense and has plenty of attitude, there are some big issues but they're not enough to ruin it for me.

Quite looking forward to the gig now, I hope they do play a different set though, I really can't be arsed with Nothing Else Matters et al. :blink:

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I think it was Horribleman that couldn't place the riff in track 2, End Of The Line, and neither could I. I think I managed to work out what it reminds me of earlier:

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I've listened to it a few times now, I think there's some good stuff on there, some really nice hooks and a lot of stuff that just passes me by. There's some wicked riffs, I think the vocal melodies are pretty good, the drums aren't upsetting me and it all sounds good and intense, it genuinely surprises me how good it is after for about 10 years thinking they're one of the most uninteresting, bafflingly popular bands I can think of.

I can't remember a single guitar solo, I paid attention to the one on Broken, Beat and Scarred earlier. It's just shit, noise but not in a good way. The one on The End Of The Line is the same, just a load of crap. Like someone trying to lose control and be crazy but worrying what their mum will think. As a result I think they stink.

I agree with you that the songs are too long and would be better had they been edited. I still think that about the end of TDTNC, but the song itself has grown on me, just that the song finishes 2 minutes before the timer on my iPod says it does.

Overall, right now it's the only Metallica album I'd have in the house. Or something like that. I think they've done shockingly well, I think they've turned out a good album which is pretty intense and has plenty of attitude, there are some big issues but they're not enough to ruin it for me.

Quite looking forward to the gig now, I hope they do play a different set though, I really can't be arsed with Nothing Else Matters et al. :blink:

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I think it was Horribleman that couldn't place the riff in track 2, End Of The Line, and neither could I. I think I managed to work out what it reminds me of earlier:

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I listened to it again a few times today in fragments. Then I just stuck it on while Laura was playing on facebook and the stuff I wasn't really feeling just clicked. So yeah. Without expectations, it's a pretty fucking good metal album all in all.

I totally think it's that song I was thinking of.

I was just thinking actually it's got a bit of tool, kyuss, slayer, pantera, old metallica that kind of vicious groove.

I was really enjoying suicide and redemption. That will be excellent to see live. And I never liked my apocalypse, until I pretended it was a slayer song and now I think it's the best slayer song I've heard since seasons.

Err. Maybe I'm just excited because it clicked for me, but I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. I think you're spot on, Wah. The vocals especially, I see loads of people bitching about them, I hope they weren't expecting jump in the fiyah stylee!!

:D

Happy now!

And most of it totally gonna kill live if they are grooving onstage.

Well done you 45 year old men!!

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Metallica brings all the tards to the yard (thread), and they're like "My metal is better than yours"

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Twinbee / Any other Yorkshire dudes - Belphegor are playing Rio's apparently in Sept. If i liked my DM more, i'd be there like a shot (supporting Nile i believe, or the other way around) I didnt even realise.

I would be tempted, but im going to Poland the day after, as im sure it was the 29th.

I guess it'll be Nile headlining. I've seen one awesome show by them (Bradford, In Their Darkened Shrines tour) and one bafflingly mediocre one (Leeds, just before the release of their next album). Anyway, it's on the 21st, and I cannae go - only a week after Metallica, and I'm out on the lash the night before.

Do you have any Nile records, DJSatan? I can wing some over if you like. You don't need to be a real DM fan to like them. The Egyptian stuff really spices things up.

Did anyone (Talvalin) get Itchy Phallic, or whatever the hell it was called? What was it like? I haven't bought a Nile rekkid since '...Shrines'.

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Have skimmed past all that to say that I am waiting til the 12th. :'(

Also, Moosey, love those achievements.

But you can hear it right now. Not a bad thing if your gonna buy it anyway. Just think...new Metallica...TONIGHT!

Shareminer is all I'll say.

I still think it's shit, but I find it strangely compelling. I'm such a huge fan of Metallica, I guess I'm "Enjoying" some new music from them that does hark back to the good all days. Despite it having very little value. So many Riffs and flourishes are deliberately meant to sound nostalgic. The first song has a little "nod" to Blackened. I think "My Apocalypse" is about the best thing on it, and it sounds closer to Slayer. The "Spit it OUT!" bit and following solo is pretty rad. but ultimately meh.

Who the fuck engineered this thing? It's sounds fucking awful. A shitty demo recorded with SM57's and Crate amps?! Mastered to the point of digital distortion? A fucking joke. At least it's not mixed in Mono for maximum loudness like That other Rick Ruben "Masterpiece" Californication.

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It's been said a number of times in this thread that this is a transcoded mp3.
METALLICA's New Single 'Sounds Like Mud'; Experts Don't Believe Technical Error Is To Blame - Aug. 27, 2008

Asbjørn Slettemark of the Norwegian music industry magazine Faro Journalen reports that METALLICA's record label, Universal Music Norway, has confirmed that it has received several complaints over the sound quality of the new METALLICA single "The Day That Never Comes", which was released via the iTunes store late last week. "There will be a new version of the song on iTunes in a short while," Eivind Slotsvik, senior product manager at Universal Music Norway, told Faro Journalen.

Slotsvik claims, however, that the "The Day That Never Comes" audio file that was serviced to Norwegian radio and press is not distorted like the track that was being sold via iTunes. "What we know is that there is something wrong with the version sent to iTunes," he said. "The version we have received does not contain similar errors."

Faro Journalen downloaded one of the versions Universal Music released to the press via its digital promotional database. The magazine then sent the file to Lasse Svendsen, editor of Norway's hi-fi magazine Lyd & Bilde (Sound & Vision). Svendsen was shocked by what he heard.

"Oh my God, this is unfortunately a classic example of how bad things get when studio technicians and musicians gets to play with expensive compressors and limiters," he said. "The file is a 313 kbps AAC sound file, which isn't necessarily that bad, but someone has chosen to maximize the volume with a compressor, so much so that the whole sound file just sounds like mud. The cymbals sound like broken glass, the drums like trees cracking, and the guitars — which are mixed equally loudly — sound like someone shoved a screwdriver into my ears."

Kjartan Overby is responsible for the music archives at the Norwegian national radio station at NRK. "The Day That Never Comes" was one of this week's most played tracks on NRK's youth channel P3, and Overby told Faro Journalen he reacted immediately to the sound level on the song.

"I have never heard anything like this on songs we have added to the archive. It is probably not a technical error. The file was like that when we received it from Universal Music," he said.

Lyd & Bilde editor Svendsen has low expectations for the "Death Magnetic" full-length album, which is scheduled to hit stores worldwide on September 12. "We can only hope that the CD won't sound this bad, but I don't have high hopes that this will happen," he said.

A representative for METALLICA's Mission: Metallica web site — the online experience related to the group's forthcoming album, "Death Magnetic" — sent out an e-mail message to the site's registered members last week claiming that the sound quality problems on "The Day That Never Comes" were related to "the creation of the track from master," before reassuring fans that "this is not how it will sound on the album." He then added, "We've identified the source of the problem to prevent it in any subsequent singles released in advance of September 12."

Although the band itself has not yet addressed the issue directly, it is believed that the source of the problem lies in the actual mix and not the mastering. With only three weeks left before "Death Magnetic"'s scheduled release, it is highly unlikely that any changes will be made to the album's final mix, a scenario which is almost certain to disappoint may of METALLICA's most loyal fans who have been voicing their displeasure over the new single's production on the band's official message board.

It's been Mixed just like the recent RHCP albums. Same producer, same engineer. This is what happens when people don't give a shit about the art of audio engineering. Instead they maximise The Loudness of the final master by CRUSHING the dynamics with Gain Limiters. It's sounds very Mid-ranged and an absolute square wave master. Just so it's as loud as possible on the radio. Just like fucking TV adverts.

This is a Mixing and Mastering issue. I doubt the final CD release will sound much different.

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