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Anne Summers

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On 09/09/2017 at 01:53, JPickford said:

>not least by transforming so many familiar returning characters into grotesque monstrosities),

Who do you mean?

I agree with this - I would say Mr C is the best example, but there are others - Audrey I would say qualifies, she seemed very petulant and self-centred now. James Hurley was tragic before but is a more pathetic figure in the new show, I'd say.Dianne even- we never saw her of course but did we really expect her catchprase to be "fuck you"? (Tulpa Dianne, at least - dunno how similar she was supposed to be to Actual Dianne, who we didn't see for long). And Sarah Palmer who is now, like, literally a monster.  

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10 hours ago, Grobbelboy said:

There's some good stuff in the AMA with executive producer Sabrina Sutherland, here.

Only read the first few posts but it is interesting she declines to answer the question about who does the voice for The Arm in the new series - her answer is "I think this question should remain a mystery and not be answered."

 

Can't think why a voice-over actor's identity should remain a mystery (if it is related to a plot point). Someone then asks if it is the same person who "wants to know about the little girl who lived down the lane" (can't remember who said that, right now) and she answers that this would be a "fair assumption".

Anyone got a clue what all that's about?

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Lynch interviewed on Pitchfork: https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/david-lynch-interview-on-bowie-and-music-that-inspired-the-new-twin-peaks/

 

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Why did Phillip Jeffries take the form of a tea kettle?

 

I sculpted that part of the machine that has that tea kettle spout thing, but I wish I’d just made it straight, because everybody thinks it’s a tea kettle. It’s just a machine.

 

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What a beautiful series this was. I've read a lot of interesting takes. There's definitely a lot of merit to the theory about it all being a grand White Lodge plan to stop Judy, but the overarching narrative is just one strand of it and doesn't do justice to all that the show accomplishes. We're missing a lot if we try and neatly wrap it all up into a convoluted but nonetheless conventional sort of narrative and draw a line under it.

 

From the original series and FWWM, I always saw the supernatural elements as Lynch's way of representing and expressing the darkness and trauma at the heart of the story (and indeed America), so dissonant as it was with the quirky Americana of so much of the show. In The Return the supernatural bleeds into the 'real world' more than ever, but then there's a sense in which the town of Twin Peaks 25 years later is itself in a state of economic, moral and spiritual decay, reflective of the fate of white middle class America over the last few decades. The saw mill never re-opened, the trailer parks are more prominent, there are people selling blood for money, the town Doctor has become a weird conspiracy theorist exploiting people's frustrations and desperation, drug addiction is prominent, there's implied suicide, corrupt police, a child brutally killed in a hit and run, gun crime, people ravished with illnesses. Twin Peaks has become a darker, more miserable place. An epicentre of garmonbozia long after Laura Palmer's suffering came to an end.

 

Many of these things are all also more societal than personal. In place of the hidden suffering and personal trauma of Laura Palmer shockingly taking place within the family, we have the daily and in some ways more normalised and ordinary suffering and depression of so much of the town. If BOB possessing Leland Palmer was a way of representing the horror of how seemingly normal people are capable of terrible evil things, perhaps then Judy is cause and representation of all that broader suffering that often has no easily identifiable personal agency behind it. In place of 'who killed Laura Palmer?', we have the more general 'why is this town/country so fucked up?'

 

What does stopping BOB and even bending time to save Laura matter if Judy is still out there? If the evil continues? The Fireman's plan with Cooper implies that stopping Judy actually means deepening and using the suffering of Laura as part of some kind of consequentialist sacrifice to overload Judy, fight the cause of suffering with more suffering. It's left ambiguous as to whether it all worked or whether it was all in vain. Just as you can't fight fire with fire, I'm inclined to think that the unsettling conclusion points to the plan failing. Evil is structural as much as it is personal - just as imprisoning evildoers doesn't destroy the broader structural causes of so much suffering, you can defeat BOB but you can't imprison Judy in one plane of reality.

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He's the giant from Cooper's visions and what's assumed to be the White Lodge. Pretty sure he referred to himself as The Fireman at some point this season. And yeah, he's a benevolent spirit of some sort that tries to put out the 'fires' associated with the Black Lodge. Not sure it's much more involved than that really.

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So over the last few days I've been spending essentially all my free time drinking copious amounts of coffee and watching the entirety of Twin Peaks. I'd never actually seen the original series except maybe a couple of episodes, so I had no idea what to expect or any clues to the mystery before I started. I finally finished the last episode of The Return at about 5am this morning, fighting sleep deprivation in a caffeine fueled haze that contributed to the growing sense of dread.

 

Holy shit basically. I need at least a few days now to recover and re-acquaint myself with reality. What incredible television.

 

(Well, apart from some latter parts of season 2 obviously.)

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Anne Summers

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So last episode spoilers etc...

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The people living in Laura's house... Tremond... They were living in a trailer park in FWWM apparently, and then were also present at meetings of characters aligned with the Black Lodge (woodsmen etc) so it's assumed they are connected to it, too. So what is the relevance of them being in the Palmer House at the end? 

What made me wonder about this is just having finished reading The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer, there is a strange reference to Mrs Tremond in there too.

 

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Mrs. Tremond was also seen in the original series, she was the old woman on the meals on wheels route with the grandson who looks like a mini David Lynch. As well as having lived in the trailer where Chet Desmond disappears in FWWM she also gives Laura the doorway painting that acts as a portal to the Black Lodge.

 

The significance of a Tremond owning the Palmer house (having bought it from a Chalfront, which is another name the old woman has gone by) is down to your own interpretation really.

 

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11 hours ago, Rsdio said:
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The significance of a Tremond owning the Palmer house (having bought it from a Chalfront, which is another name the old woman has gone by) is down to your own interpretation really.

 

 

Yeah, I realise that's pretty much true for the significance of most aspects of TP... But I asked the question really because I am interested in other peoples interpretations!

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Twin Peaks: The FInal Dossier is out now. It's really short, I read it for less than an hour last night and I'm already 40% of the way through. From where I am here's some info on the fate of characters not revealed in the show:

 

Leo

 

 

Is super dead. Died in the cabin, but not from spider bites (as the book points out tarantulas aren't venmous), he as shot 5 times. Heavily hinted that Bad Coop did it. Told in the form of an autopsy report by Albert, which is quite amusing.

 

Annie

 

 

Got a super raw deal. Remained catatonic since leaving the Black Lodge apart from saying 'I'm fine' once a year. Kept in a mental institution.

 

Audrey

 

 

As if there was any doubt, the book doubles down on what happened to her in hospital and Richard's parentage. She did wake up from the coma, raised Richard,  and ended up opening a beauty salon in Twin Peaks. Married her accountant in dodgy circumstances (so Charlie was real). Then it becomes more ambiguous and says that she disappeared from public life and it's theorised that she's either being kept a virtual prisoner by her home by husband or incarcerated in a private medical facility.

 

Haywards

 

 

The Ben Horne/Donna stuff destroyed the Haywards, they split up and moved away from Twin Peaks. Donna went to New York and became a model, but spiralled into drink and drugs. She eventually got herself clean around the age of 40 and reconciled with her father and now lives with him. Mrs Hayward died in 2009 and Gersten (the red head who was having an affair with the junkie) spiralled out of control.

 

 

 

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On 03/11/2017 at 08:10, Harsin said:

Twin Peaks: The FInal Dossier is out now. It's really short, I read it for less than an hour last night and I'm already 40% of the way through. From where I am here's some info on the fate of characters not revealed in the show:

 

 

Annie

 

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Got a super raw deal. Remained catatonic since leaving the Black Lodge apart from saying 'I'm fine' once a year. Kept in a mental institution.

 

 

 

 

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I didn't come away from it, like you obviously did, with the impression that Annie got such a rough deal. Sure she isn't exactly herself but the narrator makes a real point of saying how happy and content she seems to be - I almost got the impression they were trying to say that Annie had achieved some sort of Nirvana state, possibly due to her pure and good nature. After all the one thing she says now is "I'm fine", so it seems like she's ok. Wasn't it speculated/ hypothesized fairly regularly that she would have visited the white lodge, rather than the black lodge, due to her good nature? Maybe that's what happens to humans who enter the white lodge - they aren't bothered by life any more. (Been ages since I saw the relevant episodes so can't remember at all what we see happen to her after she enters the lodges in the series 2 finale). 

 

 

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Anne Summers

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Listened to the Final Dossier a few times now, I really like having these as bookends to the series even if, as a few people have mentioned on podcasts I've listened to, it does sometimes feel as if they "go against the grain" of Twin Peaks by explaining things which are deliberately kept vague or obscured in the show. As a lover of apocrypha in general, I like them, though. 

 

One thing I found interesting and I thought was a good revelation -

Mr C being responsible for the glass cage setup in New York. Apparently he built it to trap Judy even though he isn't exactly sure what Judy is. Funded by billions he's raised through his criminal syndicate since he escaped from the Lodge. I don't think there is any indication of this in the series (other than the origins of the glass box being unexplained).

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4 minutes ago, Anne Summers said:

One thing I found interesting and I thought was a good revelation -

 

At one point Cole has a photo of him standing next to it. Nothing is explicitly stated but I took from that what you said in the spoiler.

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On 06/11/2017 at 16:07, Anne Summers said:

 

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I didn't come away from it, like you obviously did, with the impression that Annie got such a rough deal. Sure she isn't exactly herself but the narrator makes a real point of saying how happy and content she seems to be - I almost got the impression they were trying to say that Annie had achieved some sort of Nirvana state, possibly due to her pure and good nature. After all the one thing she says now is "I'm fine", so it seems like she's ok. Wasn't it speculated/ hypothesized fairly regularly that she would have visited the white lodge, rather than the black lodge, due to her good nature? Maybe that's what happens to humans who enter the white lodge - they aren't bothered by life any more. (Been ages since I saw the relevant episodes so can't remember at all what we see happen to her after she enters the lodges in the series 2 finale). 

 

 

 

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Isn’t she answering evil Cooper’s question, “How’s Annie?”, on the anniversary of him asking it? 

 

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