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I'm a bit confused about the new 3D. I watched a featurette and an interview about it but it didn't really clear up if it'll work for me or not and the featurette seemed to be based on some shakey science. I believe I see the real world in 3D, although I'm blind in my right eye, however the featurette told me I'm wrong.

What I can't see, however, are traditional 3D movies obviously. The glasses mean I'm only getting one colour and the effect doesn't work. I read that something like 9% of the population (with two good eyes) can't see a traditional 3D image either, due to their brain not being able to pull of the effect. So I don't know if this will be much better, although I know it doesn't use seperate coloured lens glasses.

I think there are a lot of problems concerning using 3D in mainstream films and I think it'll be a hard sell.

1. Having to convince theatre owners to update equipment. Not all of them will and this will reduce potential screens and therefore box office.

2. Complient theatres will jack up prices to cover the cost of changing equipment or cash in on the gimmick. Apparently Monsters vs Aliens will have an extortionate rate becayse "It's a premier movie experience" said Katzenburg or something. Yeah right.

3. You still have to wear glasses. Even though they closer resemble sunglasses than traditional 3D glasses, it bothers people who don't wear glasses regularly and once again adds to the cost.

4. If Avatar's rubbish, it's in trouble out of the blocks. The story isn't very original and we've all heard claims of photorealistic CGI characters before. If Avatar is as bad as it might be, or even if it isn't a huge huge blockbuster, people will look on new 3D as a failure.

5. It's still pretty gimmicky. When all is said and done, it's not a totally new process and it's one people fell out of love with quickly the first time around.

Avatar really has a lot to do and it can't do it all on James Cameron's name. By the time this comes out, he won't have made an action science fiction film in 18 years. If you are 15 when Avatar comes out you were 3 when Titanic came out, and of course were years from being born when Aliens was kicking bum. So Avatar will have to stand on it's own for a lot of the audience, opening at a higher ticket price in December 2009. It's a good job they blinked at opening in May, when they'd have had to compete with a shit ton of movies, including other actiony sci-fi type movies like Wolverine, Star Trek and ironically Terminator.

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although I know it doesn't use seperate coloured lens glasses.

Most 3D cinema work now use a pair of flat polarised glasses, one with a horizontal polarised lens and one with a vertical polarised lens so you see perfectly normally, but one eye only gets the H-polarized light from the projector and the other only gets to see the Z-polarised light from projector, giving you a 3D view.

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How does that look without glasses? Any noticeable effects on the image (I don't mean seeing 3D effects, but an equivalent to the shifted colours on the old style 3D movies) or does it look perfectly ordinary, like a normal movie?

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How does that look without glasses? Any noticeable effects on the image (I don't mean seeing 3D effects, but an equivalent to the shifted colours on the old style 3D movies) or does it look perfectly ordinary, like a normal movie?

blurry, like beer-goggles.

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I'm a bit confused about the new 3D..... I believe I see the real world in 3D, although I'm blind in my right eye, however the featurette told me I'm wrong.

Yep you are wrong with only one eye you see 2D. However that is not the end of the story, your brain is an amazing thing and will use clues from the parallax shifts in objects as your head moves (ie close things appear to move more than far away things as your head moves, even though your are not aware of your head moving.) and other clues to build a model in your brain that feels 3d to you.

This won't work for 3d projections on a screen, as the 3d effect comes from feeding different eyes a different view of the scene, with only one eye you will only see one view, and that view will be flat on the plane of the screen.

The only thing that may help fool your brain is the kind of 3d effects generated by people using the wii remote eg

however those only work for one viewer so could not be used in a cinema.
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blurry, like beer-goggles.

I wouldn't say it was that blurry (although I guess that depends on how much beer you have).

I've seen two films now using the 3D technology and you could conceivably watch the film without the glasses (although why would you?). It is ever so slightly out of focus without them but nothing like 3D films once were.

But surely using polarised lenses would still cause problems for people with only sight in one eye? Because you'd need both images to make it 3D and you'd only be getting one.

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This is more like it!

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/03/19/avatar...ie-of-all-time/

When James Cameron’s Avatar was announced a couple years back, we wondered if it would be the most expensive movie of all time. There have been a few films since the initial announcement that topped Fox’s proposed $200 million budget. Spider-Man 3 producers insisted that the film’s budget didn’t exceed $270 million, but some reports claimed a number closer to $350 million. But like most films, and especially films made on the cutting edge, the initial budget and the budget after all is said and done, are vastly different.

Time Magazine mentions in their latest 3D article that the budget for Avatar has ballooned to a “cost in excess of $300 million”, and I’m pretty sure they mean before press and advertising. To this day, the highest estimated film budget was $300 million for Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End. So If Time Magazine is correct, Avatar is now the most expensive movie of all time. The article has a bunch of cool tidbits. For instance, Steven Spielberg predicts Avatar will be the biggest 3-D live-action film ever. Cameron says that “every film I’m planning to do will be in 3-D.” Peter Jackson makes the claim that he believes “that almost any movie benefits from 3-D.”

And best of all, the reporter got to see some footage from Avatar and claims that he “couldn’t tell what was real and what was animated”. John Quittner writes: “Even knowing that the 9-ft.-tall blue, dappled dude couldn’t possibly be real. The scenes were so startling and absorbing that the following morning, I had the peculiar sensation of wanting to return there, as if Pandora were real.”

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It's rumoured that this is going to be the first proper 3D Blu-ray release, to bring 3D to the home market market

Also that the centrepiece of the film

is a twelve minute first-person sequence from one of the aliens' perspective. Apparently the team have put tremendous effort into make it seem as realistic as possible, complete with new motion blur techniques designed to simulate the head whipping from side to side and the shuttering of alien eyelids.

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Also that the centrepiece of the film

is a twelve minute first-person sequence from one of the aliens' perspective. Apparently the team have put tremendous effort into make it seem as realistic as possible, complete with new motion blur techniques designed to simulate the head whipping from side to side and the shuttering of alien eyelids.

Hopefully it's better then that bit in the DOOM movie

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Steven Spielberg predicts Avatar will be the biggest 3-D live-action film ever.

Well it hardly has much competition does it.

Regarding Campfire Burning's spoiler:

The standout sequence in Strange Days was also the first person scene so it would be interesting to see him return to this technique

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