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Will keep Crown Alley in mind if we make it down to the Chelsea area.

 

I wish I could fit in a Manchester trip but won't happen this year. A few of us had planned to come down to IMBC back in 2020 but covid fucked that right up. Did see they are back this year though which is good to see, maybe next year.

 

Anyone got any festival type things on the cards? Seem to be starting up again thankfully.

 

I've got the  Midsummer Beer Happening in Stonehaven in June, like everything else it's been cancelled the last few years so nice to have it back. Usually has a decent line up but not much has been announced yet, think Overtone are the only brewers mentioned so far.

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For my money Pressure Drop (and sometimes Verdant or Cloudwater, depending on the specific brew) nail the NEIPA style as well as any US brewery I have tried, both imported or actually in the US.

 

I'm off to Trillium in July so I will reassess but yeah, given Pressure Drop are so consistently great at that style I don't know why you'd want to pay £10+ a can on import.

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This is quite sad. 
 


Kelham Island were one of the pioneers of the real ale scene that helped kick off the craft beer revolution I would say, so it’s a shame they will be disappearing. We had all Kelham Island beers at our wedding as we got married around the corner and one of the first birthdays I had together with my wife she took us on the brewery tour day which has fond memories. 

 

Even now Pale Rider is a classic of the style, but I think they just haven’t adapted and they were maybe seen as being too old fashioned. I really don’t think their rebrand a couple of years ago did them any favours though. They tried to modernise the labels but I think it made them look a bit cheap and lost some of their identity.

 

Sounds like the Fat Cat will be staying open thankfully, which is a pub I’ve spent a lot of time in over the years. 

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Fifth brewery in a couple of weeks, following Fallen, Beatnik Republic, Cheshire and Exe. 

 

Rapidly rising production costs and consumers feeling the pinch is sadly going to make this a pretty regular occurrence over the next year, I think.

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11 hours ago, minstrels said:

Fifth brewery in a couple of weeks, following Fallen, Beatnik Republic, Cheshire and Exe. 

 

Rapidly rising production costs and consumers feeling the pinch is sadly going to make this a pretty regular occurrence over the next year, I think.

 

 

Are these all breweries that are going under?

 

Of those I only know Beatnik and they have made mostly awful beers and have an overpriced, gaudy, taproom in Manc that is never even a consideration when on a night out. Locally, they are also competing against a couple of world class brewers and a good handful of very good breweries so they may not have been in the best place.

 

Which Cheshire brewery? I live in Cheshire and most of the rural breweries are pretty dull/traditional but that's the sort of gear that has always had a (local) market of sorts so I'd be surprised to see any of those fail. 

 

Not heard of Fallen or Exe.

 

I think the problem is that, following the success of a modest handful of UK  breweries, a whole extra fuck ton of breweries have started up in the last three or four years with many of them are aping the (well proven) NEIPA style but without a huge amount of diffraction from those UK brewers that have already copied and mastered the style to a very successful degree. It takes an awful lot of good can presentation, word of mouth, or a solid recommendation from trusted bar/bottle shop folk to encourage me to spend £3-4 on a half of hazy IPA by a brewery I've not heard of when there will be at least half a dozen beers by constantly great breweries that I know on the shelf/taps. 

 

I think we are seeing stagnation as too many people try to make the same thing as that same thing sells. The outlier breweries that are doing their own thing, and those that have been around for a while and who are making consistent quality beer, will be fine but I'd probably not miss 80% (being kind) of UK 'craft' breweries. 

 

 

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On 04/05/2022 at 08:33, Isaac said:

For my money Pressure Drop (and sometimes Verdant or Cloudwater, depending on the specific brew) nail the NEIPA style as well as any US brewery I have tried, both imported or actually in the US.

 

I'm off to Trillium in July so I will reassess but yeah, given Pressure Drop are so consistently great at that style I don't know why you'd want to pay £10+ a can on import.

 

 

I'm not especially mad on Pressure Drop myself but that might be a location/exposure thing as we don't see it on tap too often up here. I'm near Manc so we drink CW and Track more than anything and they are both plenty fine.

 

Trillium are a cut above many though and are probably my second favourite hazy US beer folk after Monkish. You will taste plenty of good beers there for sure.

 

People spend £10 a can to import because it is considerably cheaper than flying to Massachusetts, or Vermont, or NYC. or L.A., or wherever,  to try the beer. Whether the beers they get for their £10 are definitively 'better' tasting than locally sourced beer is another matter. Sometimes they very much aren't, sometimes they very much are, but I imagine many are also buying those sorts of beers as those sorts of breweries are still perceived to be the pioneers. It's always interesting to see what is being made over in the States (or wherever). 

 

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11 hours ago, Mike S said:

 

 

Are these all breweries that are going under?

 

Of those I only know Beatnik and they have made mostly awful beers and have an overpriced, gaudy, taproom in Manc that is never even a consideration when on a night out. Locally, they are also competing against a couple of world class brewers and a good handful of very good breweries so they may not have been in the best place.

 

Which Cheshire brewery? I live in Cheshire and most of the rural breweries are pretty dull/traditional but that's the sort of gear that has always had a (local) market of sorts so I'd be surprised to see any of those fail. 

 

Not heard of Fallen or Exe.

 

I think the problem is that, following the success of a modest handful of UK  breweries, a whole extra fuck ton of breweries have started up in the last three or four years with many of them are aping the (well proven) NEIPA style but without a huge amount of diffraction from those UK brewers that have already copied and mastered the style to a very successful degree. It takes an awful lot of good can presentation, word of mouth, or a solid recommendation from trusted bar/bottle shop folk to encourage me to spend £3-4 on a half of hazy IPA by a brewery I've not heard of when there will be at least half a dozen beers by constantly great breweries that I know on the shelf/taps. 

 

I think we are seeing stagnation as too many people try to make the same thing as that same thing sells. The outlier breweries that are doing their own thing, and those that have been around for a while and who are making consistent quality beer, will be fine but I'd probably not miss 80% (being kind) of UK 'craft' breweries. 

 

 

Cheshire Brewhouse, in Congleton I think. They made a wide variety of really well regarded beers and had a cool heritage range based on recipes from a hundred plus years ago. The owner was a bit mad though, he started sharing some Covid conspiracy stuff on Twitter last year.

 

I think you're definitely right about new breweries thinking they can make a quick buck with a NEIPA, but what's interesting is none of the breweries that have announced their closure in the last couple of weeks are really doing that, or are that new (with the exception of Beatnik maybe). Exe Valley and Kelham Island are traditional, cask producers who have been around for 20+ years, Cheshire Brewhouse has been going for 5 years but does something a bit different and Fallen has been going for 10 years with I think only two hazy pale ales in their range.

 

Fallen going under sucks particularly hard, they were 1 of 2 local breweries to me and the only local brewery that was any good. I'll just have to say I don't have a local brewery from now on. :lol:

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2 hours ago, minstrels said:

Cheshire Brewhouse, in Congleton I think. They made a wide variety of really well regarded beers and had a cool heritage range based on recipes from a hundred plus years ago. The owner was a bit mad though, he started sharing some Covid conspiracy stuff on Twitter last year.

 

I think you're definitely right about new breweries thinking they can make a quick buck with a NEIPA, but what's interesting is none of the breweries that have announced their closure in the last couple of weeks are really doing that, or are that new (with the exception of Beatnik maybe). Exe Valley and Kelham Island are traditional, cask producers who have been around for 20+ years, Cheshire Brewhouse has been going for 5 years but does something a bit different and Fallen has been going for 10 years with I think only two hazy pale ales in their range.

 

Fallen going under sucks particularly hard, they were 1 of 2 local breweries to me and the only local brewery that was any good. I'll just have to say I don't have a local brewery from now on. :lol:

 

 

Aah, right.

 

I know of Cheshire Brewhouse as a local bottle shop used to get them in until they fell out with the owner so I had a few a long time ago. I actually met said owner/brewer  (his name is Shane) at a tasting event at a local beer festival 5 or 6 years ago and, as there were only four of us in attendance, we were subjected to an awful lot of him talking/asking questions (he was a guest BTW not the brewer hosting the event). He was such a boorish, tedious, arrogant dickhead that I made a quiet promise to myself then that I'd never touch his beer in the future and have been quite happy to do so. He did have a very sweet little dog though - one which had regular base fur but then seemed to have an additional finer layer of longer hairs that stuck out perpendicular to it's body as if it was permanently subjected to a static charge. Very pleasing hound, unlike it's owner. That he became as Covid conspiracist makes it even easier to have no sympathy for the closure of his brewery.

 

Sucks to lose your one local brewer though. We still have a fair few, small, local trad brewers around here as well as all the modern beers up the road in Manc...

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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/23/bottled-out-breweries-face-glassware-shortage-energy-costs-beer

 

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Beer drinkers could soon find it difficult to buy their favourite bottled beverage because of a shortage of glassware triggered by soaring energy costs, a food and drink wholesaler has warned.

 

Suppliers are already experiencing problems sourcing glassware as its production is energy intensive, pushing its price 80% higher over the past year. As a result, stocks have tumbled, according to Dunns Food and Drinks, one of Scotland’s largest wholesalers.

 

Glassware shortages could be soon be felt by the UK beer industry, said Julie Dunn, the operations director at the family-run wholesaler. “Our wine and spirits suppliers from around the globe are facing ongoing struggles that will have a knock-on effect,” she said. “As a result, there could be less variety in the bottled beers we see on UK shelves.”

 

She added that some brewers may be forced to switch to different containers for their products, which could push prices up for consumers at a time of rising food and drink inflation.

 

“Specialist bottles and glassware hold a very important place in the heritage of the beer industry and I expect that while some breweries will convert to cans to ensure consistent supply, others will look at this as devaluing the brand, so will inevitably pass the additional cost on to beer drinkers.”

 

I don't understand this story - it seems like good news to me?

 

Cans are more environmentally friendly, keep the beer significantly fresher, preserve the hops way better, and are cheaper to manufacture.

 

The entire industry should have ditched bottles years ago.

 

This is a good news story.

 

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On 23/05/2022 at 21:11, Isaac said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/23/bottled-out-breweries-face-glassware-shortage-energy-costs-beer

 

 

I don't understand this story - it seems like good news to me?

 

Cans are more environmentally friendly, keep the beer significantly fresher, preserve the hops way better, and are cheaper to manufacture.

 

The entire industry should have ditched bottles years ago.

 

This is a good news story.

 

Maybe, but there's also massive shortage in the supply of cans right now.

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In a bar in Napa. Noticed Pliney the Elder on the menu. Gonna give it a try. 

 

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[Edit] Not bad, quite a subtle flavour, it's nice and remarkably drinkable at the strength. But to be honest I've had better beers at some of the craft breweries I've visited on this trip. 

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On 29/04/2022 at 09:44, memories said:

I've got the  Midsummer Beer Happening in Stonehaven in June, like everything else it's been cancelled the last few years so nice to have it back. Usually has a decent line up but not much has been announced yet, think Overtone are the only brewers mentioned so far.

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Looking to put my beer order in for Glastonbury (the festival that is) and probably going to bring around 24 or 36 cans, ideally mostly something sessionable and easy to drink throughout a day (so DIPA and TIPAs are well off base).

 

I was thinking of just ordering 36 cans of Sonoma to be done with it, given that it's a hard beer to argue against in terms of both bang for your buck and also quality, but wanted to consult the hivemind.

 

Are there any session / table beers anybody has had recently they would really recommend?

 

Has to come in a can as you can't bring glass on site.

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I had Wild Card's table beer which is 3% and it's lovely, not too bitter, nice hazy soft beer.
https://shop.wildcardbrewery.co.uk/collections/specials/products/king-of-the-sea-table-beer-3-0

 

They have another couple of table beers on the site as well.

 

The other standout from my order with them was this fresh hop neipa - only 6.6% but with the syrupy, heavy hop character of a tipa
https://shop.wildcardbrewery.co.uk/collections/specials/products/magonia-fresh-hop-neipa-6-6

 

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On 06/06/2022 at 16:34, Isaac said:

Looking to put my beer order in for Glastonbury (the festival that is) and probably going to bring around 24 or 36 cans, ideally mostly something sessionable and easy to drink throughout a day (so DIPA and TIPAs are well off base).

 

I was thinking of just ordering 36 cans of Sonoma to be done with it, given that it's a hard beer to argue against in terms of both bang for your buck and also quality, but wanted to consult the hivemind.

 

Are there any session / table beers anybody has had recently they would really recommend?

 

Has to come in a can as you can't bring glass on site.


After reading your first paragraph I was about to suggest Sonoma, but you’re one step ahead. Anything else I would suggest would be worse in some way or other. 

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7 hours ago, Lovelyman said:

How do you keep them cold at Glastonbury

 

We have a decent coolbox. There is a co-op on site that sells ice too - last festival was absolutely baking and our coolbox kept our cans cold the whole five days, with one top up of fresh ice on day 3.

 

They do warm up a bit when you take five out with you though, unfortunately. Need to invest in a chiller backpack but I can't be arsed carrying it all day - I typically bring my beers in a tote bag that I can fold up and put in my pocket when they are all drunk.

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Is there any recommended sites to order beers from that are a bit different to what you can buy from your average supermarket? Going to a BBQ in a few weeks and want to bring something a bit ‘special’. 

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I'd suggest having a look to see what breweries you have in your local area and ordering in mixed cases from ones that you like the look of and have beers in the styles you like/ want.  This is what I typically do, ordering from a mix of local and national breweries.

Other than that if you are looking for a general online beer supplier with a wide range then I use https://www.beermerchants.com/ from time to time typically for german and belgium beer but they have a pretty wide selection of individual beers and cases from all over the world

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On 26/06/2022 at 16:38, dizogg said:

Is there any recommended sites to order beers from that are a bit different to what you can buy from your average supermarket? Going to a BBQ in a few weeks and want to bring something a bit ‘special’. 

 

Fuss Club have a decent range of the usual non supermarket suspects for what seem like reasonable prices. They let you add things to a box until the order reaches £50 and then it's free shipping so I'm doing that just now as I've plenty of beer in the fridge. My box so far only contains Beak but I'll probably add a Whiplash, a few Deya, and similar to get it over the shipping line.

 

They do a variety of bundles from specific breweries or by beer style too which might be of use.

 

 

 

 

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If anyone subscribes to Cloudwater's monthly Beer Club thing this week's box is pretty outstanding in terms of quality and value. Five US beers (from Allagash, Trillium, Vitamin Sea, Bellflower and Untold), a few DIPA's from them (including the excellent collab with Verdant), couple of barrel project special bottles, and an IPA from Boundary. 


I used to sub to the Northern Monk one but quit a few years ago as I got tired of the daft gimmicky beers and the endless core range filler but the CW is much better curated and a lot more interesting.

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2 hours ago, Mike S said:

Fuss Club have a decent range of the usual non supermarket suspects for what seem like reasonable prices. They let you add things to a box until the order reaches £50 and then it's free shipping so I'm doing that just now as I've plenty of beer in the fridge. My box so far only contains Beak but I'll probably add a Whiplash, a few Deya, and similar to get it over the shipping line.

 

They do a variety of bundles from specific breweries or by beer style too which might be of use.

I'm gonna put them on my list of places to try as an alternative to my usual direct from brewery orders so I can still have a good variety of beers without ending up ordering from several breweries in quick succession like I often tend to.  My scabby/ value for money side also likes the look of their 3 for £10 section that I'll probably use to fill out half of my order 😀

 

From a quick check of a couple of breweries i'm familiar with ordering from Fuss was a bit of a mix of slightly more expensive (a few pence) to quite a bit more (> £1 more) even for beers of roughly the same actual price.  The free shipping and variety are all good though.

 

Edit, and I had another look at the Cloudwater club having thought about it when they first started it but appears they are not accepting new members atm as the link on their shop just errors and there is an understandable note about limited places on the blurb

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1 minute ago, hmm said:

I don't know if it's just broken perhaps, because I tried the same thing. I think the limited places are only for the 'Good Stuff' box but the 'Fridge Fillers' link doesn't work either.

Yeah, that's what I found too and would not normally expect the fridge fillers to be limited.

Pressure drop have this weird thing where mixed cases are only available on fridays and if you click the link at other times you get an error, except that sometimes it does work on other days too 🤪.  Maybe its something like that or just broken🤔

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