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Inferno is really really good. Theres a fun text dump near the start detailing some X-Men battles against Nimrod that happened off-page, but they all sound great! Wish we had those instead of crap like X of Swords. But regardless some good stuff set up in this book & I'm intrigued to see where it goes.

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6 minutes ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

Inferno is really really good. Theres a fun text dump near the start detailing some X-Men battles against Nimrod that happened off-page, but they all sound great! Wish we had those instead of crap like X of Swords. But regardless some good stuff set up in this book & I'm intrigued to see where it goes.


This is Hickman’s last involvement with the X-Titles before going into his creator-owned label right?

 

As keen as I am I think I’ll wait till it’s collected as chances are whatever happens Marvel will end up undoing sometime after it’s finished.

 

Marvel are loving re-using those old storyline names “Inferno” , “Dark Ages” & “Devil’s Reign” I wonder if it’s some silly trademark expiry thing.

 

I’ve been enjoying some of the X-Titles but lots of people have said it’s winding down or seems to be at least. 

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I think its an excuse to just sell people some Nostalgia of the idea of big crossovers that were decent. They had that Way of X book recently that combined the final 2 issues into an Onslaught titled book (which was rubbish) just so they could use the name to sell extra copies to stupid idiots like me.

 

Yeah, Inferno is the end of Hickmans run, but I don't think they are winding down, they probably just want an excuse for lots more #1 money.

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On 24/09/2021 at 10:36, K said:

In preparation for Providence, I re-read Neonomicon and my previous view still stands. It's a good story with a clever ending and it's incredibly effective at creating an atmosphere of dread, but I don't think this justifies the 15 - 20 pages of the protagonist being graphically and violently raped. It's too much for me, and (in my view) it's too much for the story - it's a schlocky cosmic horror story, which is completely overpowered by the rape sequence. 

 

 

it was even worse in single issues, where it was like *story* wait a month *entire issue of fish-rape* wait another month. 

I remember reading the build up on the bus where they are taking the two cops into the underground pool place and feeling ill in my stomach even before it kicked off. 

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3 hours ago, Girth Certificate said:

 

I remember reading the build up on the bus where they are taking the two cops into the underground pool place and feeling ill in my stomach even before it kicked off. 

 

Isn't that exactly what you want from a horror story?

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The build-up is good, but with a story like this I wanted the payoff to be horrific and scary without being off-puttingly grim. I always think of Lovecraft as almost "fun" horror, where it's bleak and weird and disgusting, but without much in the way of real-life relevance. With Neonomicon, I think it's a combination of the subject matter, which is way too pungent for the tone of the comic, and the sheer length of the sequence. It completely overpowers the story for me. Chapter 10 in From Hell takes a similar approach in covering a horrific act at great length and in intense detail, but I think it works much better in that story, as it's less lurid, is served better by the scratchy, murky artwork, and is more in keeping with the tone of the story. I get what Moore is trying to do with the comic, i.e. try and put the sex in Lovecraft that conspicuously wasn't in the original, but I think he misjudged this one.

 

It's a weird double-standard, in that I've read and enjoyed comics like Nameless and Crossed which are utterly horrifying in places, but they use the really horrible stuff in brief, momentary, hard-hitting intense moments. The length of the sequence in Neonomicon took me out of the story. It wasn't for me.

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3 hours ago, K said:

. I get what Moore is trying to do with the comic, i.e. try and put the sex in Lovecraft that conspicuously wasn't in the original, but I think he misjudged this one.

 

 

He handles this better in Providence, with the main character being gay, and mourning the loss of a lover to suicide. 

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Well I read Cool air before reading Providence part 1. 

 

Then read all of part 1 today and got so much more from it this time around. 

 

Then read the annotations @Ste Pickford saw your comment on there btw. 

 

I know Alan is a genius and really knows his shit. But by christ does it show reading the book this way. 

 

Very impressed. 

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21 minutes ago, Scruff said:

S.W.O.R.D was good. Storm kicking arse and taking names. I also picked up an issue of Red Room by Ed Piskor. Anyone else read anything of it? 

 

I got the first and my second issue got lost in the post and i couldn't get a replacement so ill be getting the trade when it's done, I follow Piskor on insta, and you can see the following it had before the first issue dropped and some of those Homage covers are really well-thought-out. 

 

I only picked up the first issue of S.W.O.R.D and didn't think much too it except for bringing back a few old X-Men characters I liked, is SWORD the comic that explains why we suddenly have Cable as the old man again? If so, is it worth buying that issue alone?

 

It's a really slow week for me comic wise, I'm only collecting the second issue of King Spawn and whatever number I'm up to on Mutafukaz. Last week was just The Last Ronin for me anyway, again just showing the slow-down in buying comics as there isn't anything that noteworthy out there any more.

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Arn X Treme said:

 

I got the first and my second issue got lost in the post and i couldn't get a replacement so ill be getting the trade when it's done, I follow Piskor on insta, and you can see the following it had before the first issue dropped and some of those Homage covers are really well-thought-out. 

 

I only picked up the first issue of S.W.O.R.D and didn't think much too it except for bringing back a few old X-Men characters I liked, is SWORD the comic that explains why we suddenly have Cable as the old man again? If so, is it worth buying that issue alone?

 

It's a really slow week for me comic wise, I'm only collecting the second issue of King Spawn and whatever number I'm up to on Mutafukaz. Last week was just The Last Ronin for me anyway, again just showing the slow-down in buying comics as there isn't anything that noteworthy out there any more.

 

 

 

 

 

I wanted to try Red Room purely as I loved Piskor's work Hip Hop Family and X-men Grand Design but not sure I want to be reading a snuff comic!

 

I think the Cable change was in the last ( or penultimate) issue of Cable rather than anything S.W.O.R.D related. 

 

The X-family of books are in a bad place right now. Hellions cancelled ( 😭) Hickman gone and I'm only sticking with X-Men due to the phenomenal Larraz art. At least the good Kubert son is drawing Wolverine again I suppose.

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47 minutes ago, Scruff said:

 

I wanted to try Red Room purely as I loved Piskor's work Hip Hop Family and X-men Grand Design but not sure I want to be reading a snuff comic!

 

 

How the fuck can a comic be snuff? 

 

It can't be because no one died. Unless Ed Piskor is in a room doing a life drawing of a serial killer murdering someone (it doesn't have to be a serial killer it's the easiest analogy) 

 

Have you not realised the loss of life involved with any city based superhero battle? If not please read Miracleman 

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I know it's not real and I have read MM. Maybe I should have used inverted commas or called it torture porn but 'snuff' fits the theme and, without wanting to ascribe things to Piskor, what I feel he is going for so while it's a factually incorrect thing to say, it's IMO the one that fits best.

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24 minutes ago, Scruff said:

I know it's not real and I have read MM. Maybe I should have used inverted commas or called it torture porn but 'snuff' fits the theme and, without wanting to ascribe things to Piskor, what I feel he is going for so while it's a factually incorrect thing to say, it's IMO the one that fits best.

I've not read it myself tbh but using the term snuff has no bearing on the real meaning of the word. And I ain't talking about tobacco up the nose that makes you sneeze. 

 

 

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I just picked this up and have started giving it a good read!

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hellboy-Universe-Histories-Mike-Mignola/dp/1506725244

 

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Longstanding mysteries from the Mignolaverse, finally solved in this collection of standalone stories!

 

When did Rasputin find his calling to bring about Ragna Rok?

 

How did the Visitor stay hidden on Earth for so long?

 

And where did the legendary Sledgehammer armor really come from?

 

These questions and more are answered in this new collection from the world of Hellboy! Three stories of instrumental side characters are explored in full, collected for the first time in a handsome hardcover perfect for any Hellboy fan's library. Hellboy creator Mike Mignola is joined by John Arcudi, Chris Roberson, Laurence Campbell, Christopher Mitten, Dave Stewart, and others to bring these hidden corners of the Mignolaverse to light. Collects Rasputin: The Voice of the Dragon TPB; Sledgehammer 44 TPB; The Visitor: How and Why He Stayed TPB.

 

I've got a lot of Hellboy & BPRD, but I've never read any of these books before.

 

I thought the Rasputin stories were ok, but they are nothing that I've not already kind of seen during the pages of Hellboy etc.

 

But I've just finished the first Sledgehammer '44 books and I love everything about it, a real treat.

 

Anyone else read this collection or the books when they were originally released?

 

 

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Did they do any more Sledgehammer '44? As I really enjoyed those.

 

I'm just about to start The Visitor and by the cover alone I can guess what this is going to be about. 

 

I'll see if I can find "Koshchei the Deathless" on Comixology or something. 

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The Visitor is easily my favourite of the various Hellboy/BPRD mini series spin offs, especially for the added emotional punch it brings to re-readings of Conqueror Worm.

 

Koshchei the Deathless I thought was a cut above the rest too, so worth seeking out.

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Due to falling asleep, I managed to miss the first Komi Can't Communicate anime episode. It was on at fucking midnight of all times, which is frankly barmy considering its sweet and pretty wholesome content. I'll have to try again next week.

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3 hours ago, Talvalin said:

Due to falling asleep, I managed to miss the first Komi Can't Communicate anime episode. It was on at fucking midnight of all times, which is frankly barmy considering its sweet and pretty wholesome content. I'll have to try again next week.

 

https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81228573

 

Netflix are showing it at some point in the future over here in the UK.

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Finished Providence last night. Heady stuff. I didn't read more than a chapter a day to give it all time to settle, then read annotations the next morning. I've dreamed about it every night since about chapter 6. I'm worried that it might have actually rewired my brain somehow.

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I have to confess I'm finding Providence a bit dull. It does that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen thing, where every character who turns up is meant to be a character from a Lovecraft story. Moore is always very coy about who they are supposed to be, but the dialogue is ripe with hints and references to the story they come from, and it always feels a bit contrived. With LoEG, the references to characters and stories was used as a way of exploring different types of storytelling (i.e. British comics of the 60s, Viz, Shakespeare, the Eagle, PG Wodehouse, etc), whereas in this it's a bit one-note. The protagonist goes somewhere, meets a Lovecraft character, then moves on.

 

Plus, the diary entries in every chapter. There's some interesting stuff in there, but a huge chunk of it is just the narrator retelling what's just happened.

 

For all that, there's a lot to like in there - the first chapter was very clever indeed, I'm just finding it a bit repetitive and episodic, and heavy with exposition. I'm only up to chapter 7, so hopefully it'll all come together.

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22 hours ago, Talvalin said:

Due to falling asleep, I managed to miss the first Komi Can't Communicate anime episode. It was on at fucking midnight of all times, which is frankly barmy considering its sweet and pretty wholesome content. I'll have to try again next week.

 

I shall be watching it later tonight. I hope it's good

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5 hours ago, Ste Pickford said:

Is Chapter 7 the artist one? I think that was the low point for me.  The least interesting episode.

 

That's the one. I didn't mind it so much, partly because the Lovecraft story it's referencing is one the few I can remember, so I didn't have to look up what happened in order to understand all the nudge-nudge, remember this bit, references.

 

It's getting a bit ridiculous that the protagonist keeps being led into these dangerous occult situations, completely oblivious to the danger. I will persevere though, I trust that Alan Moore is going to provide a decent ending.

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Yeah. I feel I'm being a bit unfair and impatient with the book; I was expecting a relatively self-contained Lovecraftian story, rather than a metatextual tour through a series of Lovecraft's actual stories. The back cover describes it as "the Watchmen of horror", which probably set my expectations a bit high. Watchmen was heavily referential towards superhero comics, but it seemed to do it a bit more gracefully and subtly than Providence does, although Moore is obviously trying to do something different with Providence, and it seems unreasonable to criticise it for not doing what I expected.

 

That said, I can't help but find it a bit too slow for my liking.

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