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Star Wars: Prequel Discussion Thread (aka: wtf were you thinking George?)

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One day somebody will make a Prequels and Prometheus crossover. It will be so bad that even watching a clip of it will break your grip on reality and you'll sepnd the rest of your life in an insane asylum like the a charcter in a Lovecraft work.

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Prometheus was a good movie.

I'm not particularly talented artistically. I can barely string a few words together to compose a coherent post on an internet gaming forum.

Yet I know in my heart of hearts that I could have put together a better screenplay than what we ended up with.

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One day somebody will make a Prequels and Prometheus crossover. It will be so bad that even watching a clip of it will break your grip on reality and you'll sepnd the rest of your life in an insane asylum like the a charcter in a Lovecraft work.

I dunno, the thought of wrestler zombies throwing Jar Jar around like a midget at a Lucha Libre match makes it kinda tempting.

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Revenge of the Sith is ten years old!

TEN YEARS!!!

http://cinema.hbu.edu/revisiting-the-star-wars-prequels/

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/revenge-of-the-sith-ten-years-later-is-it-119389020752.html

I was at the six movie marathon across from the premier in Leicester Square. It started at 7am with ANH and ended with ROTS at 8.30pm.

Lucas came in before the film along with Ian McDiarmid, Hayden Christensen and Rick McCallum. All were welcomed uproariously by those in attendance.

Lucas was also brave enough to come back in afterwards to ask what we thought. After the drubbing Menace and Clones received I thought this was pretty brave. The response was rapturous. Lucas was dry as hell and bloody funny. He seemed utterly bemused by the fuss and was happily surrounded by rabid Star Wars fanatics as the cinema emptied.

It was a night I'll never forget and one that with the Disney deal will never happen again. As much as I'm looking forward to Episode VII I'll always feel that I-VI will always be MY Star Wars.

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That first article is kind of hilarious in the hoops it jumps through to suggest the prequels are masterpieces. Everything is viewed in glowing terms with barely any kind of criticism- even weakness like the terrible Anakin of Phantom Menance are viewed as daring positives, ignoring the clumsy way they were treated.

Yes, there's a great idea in showing the innocent enthusiastic little boy Anakin as a contrast to what he became- but an idea that gets trampled in bad performance, bad writing and poor choices. Not to mention when he becomes a teenager... it's a central character who is so wooden and uninteresting that the films fall apart around him.

Although understandably grating, I’ve come to appreciate how Anakin’s teenage years are portrayed. Lucas deliberately shows him as unlikeable and petulant, exposing the banality of self-centeredness and maintaining moral clarity on what’s happening. Fans wanted Vader to wipe out the Jedi in high style, but instead Lucas points to the pathetic nature of evil. The Dark Side here is exposed as whiny and weak, another contrast to our culture that often glamorizes it. Great thought is taken on the psychological impact of these stories on children. Anakin is a model for kids to avoid rather than emulate. A moody blend of James Dean and Darth Vader, Hayden Christensen’s performance is very underrated, hitting a challenging range of emotion that erupts in Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005).


A moody blend of James Dean and Darth Vader. :lol: The phrase doesn't even make sense in context, as it's suggesting Hayden's performance was part Dean, part Vader. What was the Vader part..? There's nothing to suggest that (beyond he becomes Darth Vader later which isn't in the performance...)

The six films form one larger epic that is constructed like a piece of music. The narratives are light on plot and characterization, instead built on archetypal themes and psychological motifs that reverberate throughout the six episodes. Lucas often talks of approaching Star Wars like a silent film where the sound and the effects “are just a part of the musical composition to tell the story visually rather than through a lot of heavy dialogue.” This becomes more refined in his work on the prequels, where everything from mirrored plot points to spaceship designs are carefully placed to echo and build into the original trilogy.


Also known as "Chewbacca was there too, and it turned out Darth Vader built C3-PO, and, oh, look, there's Boba Fett when he was a kid, you remember Boba Fett, you loved his action figure, now you can buy one of his dad also..."

Ten years, man. Ten years and watching Sith recently it was even worse than I'd remembered. One of the ages.

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In the run-up to the new film a friend and I are going through the PT and the OT, spaced out throughout the year. We've put down TPM and AotC so far. He'd previously seen TPM and half of AotC, and hasn't seen RotS at all. I haven't watched any prequels for years (I've never re-watched them), and probably haven't watched the OT since I first got hold of the despecialised editions. It's been interesting discussing them afterwards, from the point of view of a long-term, somewhat lapsed fan (myself), and someone who isn't invested at all but has a deep understanding and history with film in general.

To me, the PT are bad films in the way they fumble so many important decisions, themes and moments. To him, they're average sci-fi with some serious problems. We both agree on what's bad, but it's the extra element of what those things mean to someone who really cares that make the films so much of a failure to me.

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"Then I deliberately made sure that you (Luke) got raised on the planet his dad was born on, to act as bait so that I could make sure you'd grow up angry with the empire who would look for you and then you'd want to kill your dad, especially when I make sure that he kills me in front of you."

Wasn't he planning to join the imperial academy at the start of A New Hope? He only offered to join the rebellion when his aunt & uncle died.

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I feel a bit sorry for him. He was only a kid when he became just about the most famous face in entertainment, and there was no way he was ever going to have any kind of respectable career after TPM for so many reasons (somebody correct me if I'm totally wrong and he's had a great acting career since 1999 that I just haven't heard about.)

He looked a bit glum when I got him to sign a 10x8 at a Collectormania event a few years ago. I dare say he's even glummer now.

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Don't know if this has come up already in this thread, but there was a great episode of the I Was There Too podcast about the Phantom Menace. Podcast is basically set up on interviewing minor part actors from blockbuster films for behind the scenes stories, etc.

They had Greg Proops (of Whose Line Is It Anyway fame) on, he was one of the pod race commentators. Some really interesting insight to how much of a shitshow the whole thing was, with extra voiceover work being recorded a couple of weeks before the premiere.

Definitely worth a listen.

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I don't watch Disney's Star Wars CGI cartoon. But after reading Devin Faraci's glowing write-up of the appearance of Darth Vader in it decided to hunt down the bits on YouTube.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/06/21/star-wars-rebels-is-fixing-darth-vader

Fair play to them, for a kids show that's the most threatening Vader's been in years and that's a better lightsaber duel than any of the synchronised dance twirlathons in the prequels. Here he is owning an entire rebel fleet as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ufQllSUao

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I'm still not convinced on Clone Wars, but that clipwith Vader and another one of the inquisitor and Tarkin I just saw has made me want to watch Rebels for sure.

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With Episode 7 right around the corner it brings back memories of waiting for the Prequels.

The anticipation was the BEST thing about Episodes 1, 2 and 3. With each episode I convinced myself that this next one would redeem the previous shitfest. And each time i was wrong.

Having said that the trailers pretty much rocked and the 6 weeks before release were always full of hope.. so in honour of that time here are the best bits of the prequels. all it goes downhill once you watch the films..

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To be fair, the trailers for 2/3 did do everyone the courtesy of spelling out everything that happens in them, in chronological order, in two and a bit minutes, for each one. Probably the ultimate phantom edits from LFL/Fox themselves.

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I've been re-watching the films recently for the first time in ages. Watched the original trilogy and started on the prequels last night. While I'm not going to get started on the big "WTF George?!" elements, the thing that's struck me most is the complete and utter lack of health and safety regulation across the galaxy. Every large structure, whether it be Republic, Empire or Alliance seems to have a series of bottomless pits dotted around the place, none of which have any significant form of safety barriers in evidence. Hangars on the Death Star? Massive fucking holes in the floor. Any form of generator room? Massive fucking hole in the floor. Important control console? Perched on the edge of a massive fucking hole in the floor.

Also, WTF! with the doors? Do they need to close that fast? How many deaths by door take place each year across the galaxy?

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You forgot middle management crushing your windpipe for pressing the wrong button or the CEO flooding your body with electricity for not hitting your monthly quota. I suspect Vader/Palpatine didn't have Injury Lawyers 4 You writing them many letters.

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Also "aww he's enthusiastic, and his Aunt and Uncle are the only people in the galaxy that have actually been killed by Stormtroopers, let's give him an X-Wing"

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Friends, I have a confession to make.

A shameful secret that I've never dared tell a soul.

Here goes.

When I first saw Attack of the Clones at the cinema... I remember...

I...

I'm sorry, this is very difficult to for me to admit...

I... laughed... out loud...

... at some of the hapless antics of C-3PO.

I'M SORRY I'M SORRY

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I've just watched those trailers posted above and they are all fucking boring. Really indicative of the films themselves I guess; just people talking on fake-looking TV show sets with the odd bit of awful action thrown in. The only good trailer was the teaser for The Phantom Menace.

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Biggs told them how good he was.

"I've got this mate yeah, yeah that's him over there, absolutely amazing in a glider he is, can knock an acorn out of a tree using a nerf gun whilst he's gliding around. Yeah, he'd do grand in this top secret mission we've got coming up, stick him in a Eurofighter, no problem"
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