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Star Wars: Prequel Discussion Thread (aka: wtf were you thinking George?)

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On 11/08/2018 at 19:29, Nick R said:

I take issue with your assertion that the film has no scenes with subtext!

 

There's that opera scene, where Palpatine appears to be telling a story that seems to be about someone else, but if you read between the lines, he's - GASP! - he's really talking about himself! :o

 

 

 

 

Coincidentally, that's the the other scene from the film that I remembered from watching it previously - probably because there is at the most basic level, a degree of subtext and dramatic tension. 

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Just a shame we don't have a specific thread for The Last Jedi.

 

I guess we could discuss it in the Love Status thread?

 

As for RoTS - I had forgotten just how bad it was until I watched the saga in the Machete order prior to seeing The Force Awakens.  Episodes 2 and 3 are pretty tough to get through IMO (I didn't bother with TPM as it'll just annoy me). 

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On 11/08/2018 at 18:52, K said:

Just watching Revenge of the Sith on ITV, and my god, every single scene is exposition. I’ve never seen a film where there’s no actual plot development or story happening on screen before, just people explaining what’s happening elsewhere or explaining what happened in the previous scene, or explaining what they think about another character and their motivations. Nobody actually does anything, just talks about what other people have done.

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

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Decided to have a Star Wars Marathon.  It would take a few weeks, but any time I had a spare evening I was going to watch one. Got all hyped up.  Starting with Phantom Menace and working through them in chapter number order.

 

Made it half an hour into Phantom Menace and realised I was playing Egg Inc. on my phone.  Turned the film off.  Haven't carried on yet, and that was a week and a bit ago.

 

Jar Jar Binks - love him or hate him, he's pretty much in the movie throughout, always there.  Even if you like him, he;s in there way too much.

 

Also, the whole Star Wars thing is now tarnished.  There are too many films and the original three are just episodes in a soap opera.  They happen to be stand out episodes, way better than the others, but in the context of an ongoing release schedule, you start to realise that even ESB and ROTJ are not the best movies (especially in the current versions with the three minute song and dance routine in Jedi for example).  ESB was the best of the original three, but it's not a self contained movie and being part of a long sequence of movies damages it somewhat.  It's making me think that Episode 4 is the one and only true Star Wars film, and the rest are just padding.  Or, watch all three of the originals in the despecialised editions and just ignore everything else.  And I loved Last Jedi at the Cinema, came out of there buzzing, but have no desire whatsoever to see it again.

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What I find a bit crazy about SW is after 8 films we still have no idea what the Dark Side actually is, or whats addictive/quick/easy about it. 

 

Back during the pre-Prequels days I imagined thats what the arc of the first trilogy was going to have been about. Anakin basically discovering "force-crack" and struggling with its addictive properties - physically and mentally - battling the demons and trying not to let his habit destroy his life.  Other than some dodgy contact lens -  we didn't really get any of that - and its basically unexplored terrority. Or have I missed something?

 

 

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All the elements are there to make something great too. There's a war on. He has the weight of expectation of being the strongest Jedi on him. Power to win the fight is very tempting, especially if he's scarred by what he's seen. He was slave and then a monk, so he's already accustomed to discipline and authority. You have Palatine whispering in his ear about how his hands are tied by the Jedi and the Senate, and you have a theme of betrayal by outsiders. Padme can be his link back to the Light, but you can introduce ideas of betrayal there too. The Dark Side becomes essentially a fascist ideology amid the rising of an fascist state. 

 

Walk the audience there and make them complicit in the corruption. Make actions just seem the right side of reasonable until, shit, he's tearing up the Jedi Temple and denouncing traitors. 

 

I genuinely wish they'd have dumped the prequels and started again because the premise has awesome possibilities in it, blocked by the mess we got.

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4 hours ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

What I find a bit crazy about SW is after 8 films we still have no idea what the Dark Side actually is, or whats addictive/quick/easy about it. 

 

Back during the pre-Prequels days I imagined thats what the arc of the first trilogy was going to have been about. Anakin basically discovering "force-crack" and struggling with its addictive properties - physically and mentally - battling the demons and trying not to let his habit destroy his life.  Other than some dodgy contact lens -  we didn't really get any of that - and its basically unexplored terrority. Or have I missed something?

 

 

Lightning out of your fingers and force choke and crush, as well as all the powers Jedi are allowed to use ? Sounds pretty seductive to me !

 

Conjecture from me, but my assumption is that it’s easier to tap into these more powerful and/or destructive Force abilities using strong emotions as your anchor point than it is to “clear your mind...” and do it from a position of tranquility. From a simplistic point of view, why can you lift heavier weights after you psych yourself up and get yourself angry ? 

 

Since the Jedi don’t even allow love, I’m going to guess that any poweful emotion, negative or otherwise, helps you channel the Force more easily, and that extremely powerful emotions make your abilities stronger. I guess once you see what strong emotions can do for you, it’s easy to just fall into that trap and keep doing it, especially if it’s so much harder doing it the Jedi way (like Luke and his X-Wing).

 

But you’re right, they sense these powerful emotions in Anakin at several points over the PT, and never really address it properly with him, or his teacher. Like “Mate, you were really angry when you slaughtered all those Tuskens the other day. Let’s have a chat about why that’s really bad, yeah?”. They just exclude him from all their plans, and as a result make him even more pissed off.

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Having watched RotS again not so long ago, it really made me cringe when Anakin finally turns to the dark side.  It takes a split second.  And it's done like someone has spiked his drink.

 

Having Palps ham his way through the scene is good for comic relief, but it really is a diabolical piece of cinema.  And when you think of it as one of if not the most pivotal scene in the whole saga - which in itself is probably the biggest saga in cinema history - it's even worse.

 

Slurring your words, putting some cool contact lenses in and swaying slightly from side to side like my grandad at a disco isn't what you'd imagine turning to the dark side should be like.

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1 hour ago, Boothjan said:

Having watched RotS again not so long ago, it really made me cringe when Anakin finally turns to the dark side.  It takes a split second.  And it's done like someone has spiked his drink.

 

Having Palps ham his way through the scene is good for comic relief, but it really is a diabolical piece of cinema.  And when you think of it as one of if not the most pivotal scene in the whole saga - which in itself is probably the biggest saga in cinema history - it's even worse.

 

Slurring your words, putting some cool contact lenses in and swaying slightly from side to side like my grandad at a disco isn't what you'd imagine turning to the dark side should be like.

 

And yet, it was still better than The Last Jedi!

 

(it wasn’t)

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