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Spunky Monkey

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XBC and all that lot are not officially supported and never will be. All EA and MS care about is making sure the Live function works well. Sure the link up code probably isnt hard to impliment but there may be reasons why they kept it out, one could be because burnout 3 streams data of the disc (i believe this to be the case but im not 100% sure) could cause more trouble than its worth or like sony, EA/MS dont find system link that attractive or a unique selling point.

You forget you lot love games, you post on an internet forum, while little chav jimmy who loves need for speed underground cos its got getto tunes and can customize his car probably doesnt even know what a system link is. Just because you lot use system link doesnt mean everyone else does. In fact i bet its a VERY small minority that use it.

But yes it would be a nice feature to have in, then again i could come up with hundreds of wonderful features id like that will never get put in. Theres always a reason for things not being put in games, wether its time, money, bugs etc. It could be one of many things, they are not lazy for not including it. Same way they are not lazy for not including saveable replays. The first one did it, but the other games do not. Not everything in games is black and white, and when you can play it on live, theres even less incentive to add in system link for the few who do use it.

System link is not a big thing in gaming, for the hardcore maybe, but for the general public they are happy to play on a 14 inch monitor with a quater of the screen devoted to themselves in multiplayer.

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I just had the best luck on a crash junction ever. Thought I'd screwed it up but in the last few seconds a big rig rammed into and pushed my wreck straight into a 4x.  <_<

Tuk Down - $922, 000 or something.

We need to start a thread in the high score folder me thinks.

That level is class, I got $10,200 or so. I got samwiched into between 2 trucks and the rest is history.

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Got a silver, was 5 secs off gold, and I crashed once.

If I didn't crash I reckon I'd have gotten gold.

That one had me stumped earlier. I've not been moving on until I've got gold but that one was a little too hard. I got 1:39 on my first go but can't even get that now.

The game is a joy. The Takedown idea is pure brilliance with Road Rage emphasising the fact. Roll on Xbox LIVE.

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Fuck me.

Just started playing this for about 2 hours, and it absolutly blew me away. Its really really good isn't it?

Such a massive thrill whilst playing it and the takedowns work amazingly. It makes you feel like you're the coolest best gamer in the world as you takeout your opponents whilst dodging traffic on boost.

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Spunky Monkey

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Crap? Hardly. Its just many people dont care about system link. Yes people may have been introduced to halo thanks to system link, doesnt mean they rush out there to buy an xbox a cross over cable and a hub and get all their mates to buy an xbox with halo plus cross over cable. I never said it hasnt sold xboxs but people hardly rush out there to buy an xbox because it does system link, especially when it has four controller ports.

Its a tiny feature of the console which is rarely used in many many games when it so easily could be. Yes system link may be great for people who meet up with their mates and bring their xbox around, but most of the public are happy to play on a single screen for 20 minutes and dont even know what a hub or cross over cable is.

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Who are these people, Spunky Monkey? I know people who aren't gamers yet use system link 'cos its a piece of piss to use. These same "chavs" (you racist cunt), back in the day, cobbled together a lead that split the TV signal from the N64 so each player could use their own screen in Goldeneye.

You talk crap, Spunky

You, sir, deserve a medal.

Only reason system link is missing from certain titles is politics.

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Plus, there's a high chance that one of you has a chipped xbox and just plays from HD whilst the newbie uses your original

That may well be a good reason for not adding System Link in their eyes though.

Live = Everyone has to buy a copy of the game to play

System Link = One, or even none, buy the game

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Spunky Monkey

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Who are these people, Spunky Monkey? I know people who aren't gamers yet use system link 'cos its a piece of piss to use. These same "chavs" (you racist cunt), back in the day, cobbled together a lead that split the TV signal from the N64 so each player could use their own screen in Goldeneye.

Only reason system link is missing from certain titles is politics.

Yes you know people who use it yet the majority dont. For example GAME sell own brand hubs and cables for about 40 quid (or used to a year back) and people did buy them. When you could get the same stuff for less even in a place like pc world. Most people dont bother with system link, if they did the ilink would be in the newer ps2's and more games would support it.

It just comes down to it most people dont, they either user the controller ports or xbox live or do without. Just because you know a few people who use it doesnt mean the whole world does to. Because the majority dont.

And i fail to see how chav is racist and theres no need to swear either, but we're going off topic with that.

And certain titles dont miss system link for politics, its just its a minor feature and thus not high up on the 'to-do' list, unlike online modes and multiplayer split screen. If it was developers would spend the few days it requires to impliment it and be done with it right from the start, but for any number of reasons its not been put into burnout 3. But ultimatly does it harm the game? Not a jot, the game would and will always be great with or without it.

And there you go, ive given you an informed view, it might not be right, it might not be wrong, but its a view with a bit of substance which i could have not bothered with if i was lazy.

Now wheres my copy of burnout 3!

Whats the multiplayer crash mode like guys? The courses, the controls, tell me all about it!

Oh and any heart breaker moments?

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Crap? Hardly. Its just many people dont care about system link. Yes people may have been introduced to halo thanks to system link, doesnt mean they rush out there to buy an xbox a cross over cable and a hub and get all their mates to buy an xbox with halo plus cross over cable. I never said it hasnt sold xboxs but people hardly rush out there to buy an xbox because it does system link, especially when it has four controller ports.

Its a tiny feature of the console which is rarely used in many many games when it so easily could be. Yes system link may be great for people who meet up with their mates and bring their xbox around, but most of the public are happy to play on a single screen for 20 minutes and dont even know what a hub or cross over cable is.

Again - I play (Halo) with lots of people who don't own xboxes on system link. 4 players wouldn't justify the amount of effort we're perfectly willing to go to do so (including travelling halfway across the country in some cases, the purchase of multiple xboxes etc etc.).

You're almost arguing in your second paragraph FOR system link ("it could be added so easily", "great for people who have mates" - I assume this is why you obviously don't give a toss?) by the way...

Burnout 3 would be an IDEAL system link game - because there's no difficulty in getting to grips with the concept, and a single xbox is limited to 2 players on something like Road Rage...

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But ultimatly does it harm the game? Not a jot, the game would and will always be great with or without it.

And there you go, ive given you an informed view, it might not be right, it might not be wrong, but its a view with a bit of substance which i could have not bothered with if i was lazy.

Now wheres my copy of burnout 3!

Whats the multiplayer crash mode like guys? The courses, the controls, tell me all about it!

I assume the exclamation mark is meant to humourlessly acknowledge the irony in the second paragraph?

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Spunky Monkey

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To me a feature is a feature, if its done well im all for it. Personally system link interests me >< this much. Ive never said they shouldnt put system link it just annoys me when people say how a developer is lazy because they havent done every single thing every single gamer wants. Programmers dont just go to work and go, sod that, system link, cant be arsed to do that. Its either schedualed in and implimented (if possible) or its not for what ever reasons

but im fed up with putting across my point when all people do is put their fingers in their ears and go 'lalalalalala' and dont seem to comprehend what im trying to put across and instead try to be clever or funny.

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Played it earlier. Massively dissappointed because it's sort of got that Mario-Kart syndrome of being first through the whole race and then crashing once near the end and finishing last, or thereabouts.

Then played it some more and started to enjoy it. Just didn't take the racing as seriously and I ended up being far more successful. Now I love it, just like I loved the first two.

The far east tracks are fucking beautiful too, and the Road Rage mode is so pumping, I almost pushed the TV off te table in a fit of hysteria.

Gonna be buying this on Friday for the online play, prepare to get bummed online, by me.

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You're fed up with people disregarding what you say when you assume that your inconsistent "opinions" matter?

Yes you know people who use it yet the majority dont. For example GAME sell own brand hubs and cables for about 40 quid (or used to a year back) and people did buy them. When you could get the same stuff for less even in a place like pc world. Most people dont bother with system link, if they did the ilink would be in the newer ps2's and more games would support it.

Now, I'd read this as saying that "there's a market for system linked consoles". Because non-technophiles were prepared to pay the extortionate amount charged by Game for their own-brand cables.

It's directly contrary to what you're trying to argue, which is why I don't feel I'm being particularly "clever" pointing it out - it's just a basic English comprehension exercise.

Perhaps the reason i-link isn't in newer PS2s is because it really wasn't supported by developers for anything other than GT3? (And even then I'm not sure that you were able to get many people playing at once).

If there's no buy-in to a feature then we might well expect it to die.

But the Xbox has a standard bearer for system link. Which means that a relatively large proportion of Xbox owners (who occupy a slightly different demographic to the PS2 owners anyway) have experienced it.

As to "time" issues - the main difference between system link and Xbox Live is surely that one requires an extra sign in step.

Now - if you'd like to argue commercial issues (such as, thinking off-the-cuff, EA wanting people's gamer tags linked up with their servers, and no-one using something like XBoxConnect to sidestep this kind of survelliance...) then we might have something to discuss - but you're not...

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Spunky Monkey

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Well the reason i mentioned GAME's own brand hubs is because if system link was more popular they'd know what they were buying into and know game were charging way to much. Everyone buys memory cards and pads because they are the norm and people hunt around for the best prices (and especially 3rd party ones) but with a hub and leads, many consumers dont know what they need, they hear what they need but dont know what it does or where to get it from.

And about the ps2 ilink, sure it wasnt supported much, but then again maybe it wasnt supported because people really didnt care about the i link stuff, same way as many ps2 games dont have 4 player options (because people are happy with just the two controller ports they are given). It all is a bit catch 22, if no one supports it its dropped, but if its dropped no one can support it.

The programming side of system link and xbox live are probably pretty similar ( i dont know cos i hate programming but i know a lot of stuff behind it all and the reasons for including dropping the function) but even a small feature as system link can have problems, what ever the reason, could be something totally unexpected and stupid but if its a problem that takes a long time to fix its often dropped because of that.

And finally i cant see why anyone would want to use burnout 3 on xbc, when its part of live. It kind of defeats the point of them programming a full online mode, i can understand for games like halo without built in live support but not when its built in.

but the reason as ive been saying all along is that it probably wasnt included as it was a low down feature, technical problems, or they wanted to concentrate on the online mode rather than extra features which arnt badly needed to make multiplayer work. It could be anything, i just wanted to point out its not because a programmer is lazy, its always something deeper than that.

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