Controversial film opinions

[ZOK]

The Dark Knight isn’t really all that either.

[JamesC]

The Dark Knight is a decent (not amazing) film with a stand out performance from Ledger.

 

Begins has a few decent ideas and scenes but is generally crap (the last 20 mins being especially bad).

 

Rises is a fucking mess.

[Festoon]

Begins is the best one, Dark Knight starts well but the third act is worse than Begins. Rises is utter shit.

[Ry]

Watchmen is in the top 5 of Superhero films. Especially the director's cut. 

[Couch Corpse]

4 hours ago, JamesC said:

Christopher Nolan only had one decent film in him

😶

[Loik V credern]

Not really controversial, just contrary but everyone seems to think Leonardo DeCaprio's career in terms of choice of films and parts is far better than any other actor in the last twenty years and I don't really get it. A number of meh films and parts. 

[ZOK]

1 hour ago, Ry said:

Watchmen is in the top 5 of Superhero films. Especially the director's cut. 

Are there even five good superhero films?

[Ry]

31 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

Not really controversial, just contrary but everyone seems to think Leonardo DeCaprio's career in terms of choice of films and parts is far better than any other actor in the last twenty years and I don't really get it. A number of meh films and parts. 

 

His filmography is fantastic. Most actors would kill for the run he has had. 

 

No one beats Tom Hanks though. He had the best run of films in Hollywood history. His run from 1992 to 2002 is remarkable. 

[McFly]

The Burbs is on that list surely?

[Wiper]

59 minutes ago, ZOK said:

Are there even five good superhero films?

 

Indubitably! Examples of good superhero films include: 

 

Buckaroo Banzai

Ghost in the Shell (1995)

Robocop (1987)

The Matrix

Tetsuo II: Body Hammer

[ZOK]

I’ll allow them.

[Festoon]

No Way Home is a bit of an episodic mess. Character motivations make little sense. Strange changes mood on a dime and is variously incompetent for plot reasons. The big thing of

 

Spoiler

forgetting people.

 

is just stupid. And not a threat. It's all threadbare.

[Loik V credern]

1 hour ago, Ry said:

His filmography is fantastic. Most actors would kill for the run he has had. 

 

No one beats Tom Hanks though. He had the best run of films in Hollywood history. 

 

I don't get what's so fantastic about it. Just the last 20 years so it can be compared with other actors of his generation...The Beach I actually really like a lot, great vibe to it and he's effortless in it. Gangs of New York doesn't hold together that well and his character doesn't really have a personality, the film is all about Daniel Day Lewis. Obviously it's not bad. Catch Me If You Can is superb and a great role. The Aviator is..can't recall much about it, kind of forgettable despite capturing an unforgettable person. The Departed...I think he's amazing in it. So angry all the time. But not an outstanding film. Blood Diamond, not great accent, intense role but not much distinction to the film really. Same with Body of Lies, forgettable film, forgettable role. Revolutionary Road...fine. okay this will take too long. 

 

00s:

The Beach

Gangs of New York

Catch Me If You Can

The Aviator

The Departed 

Blood Diamond 

Body of Lies 

Revolutionary Road

 

10s:

Shutter Island 

Inception

J. Edgar

Django Unchained 

The Great Gatsby

The Wolf of Wall Street

The Revenant

Once Upn A Time in Hollywood 

 

Obviously it's a good 20 years of a career but I don’t think it's unbelievable or anything. I'd rather have Gosling's 00/20s career:

 

00s:

The Believer

The Slaughter Rule

Murder By Numbers

The United States of Leland

The Notebook

Stay

Half Nelson

Fracture 

Lars And The Real Girl

 

10s:

Blue Valentine 

All Good Things

Drive

Crazy Stupid Love

The Ides of March

The Place Beyond The Pines

Gangster Squad

Only God Forgives

The Big Short

The Nice Guys

La La Land

Song to Song

Blade Runner 2049

First Man

 

I think there's more interesting and varied roles there, better acting, more memorable characters. De Caprio sought to work with more established directors late in their career who are more straight than weird. He's not done anything like Lars And The Real Girl or Drive or A Place Beyond The Pines and might never. 

 

I'd take Hardy's too, 00s:

 

Star Trek: Nemesis

Stuart: A Life Backwards

RocknRolla (crap film but good role)

Branson 

The Take

 

10s:

Inception 

Tinker Tailer Soldier Spy

Warrior

This Means War

Lawless

The Dark Knight Rises

Locke

The Drop

Child 44

Mad Max Furu Road

London Road

Legend

The Revenant 

Peaky Blinders

Taboo

Dunkirk

Venom

[Clipper]

Nolan's Batman films are just wretched and miserable. They lack any sort of fun or vitality it is just some sort of miserablist trudge through dystopia. The first one has Heath Ledger, which everyone raves about, but for me - whilst it is a decent performance - it is the worst Joker committed to screen upto that point (Leto easily trumps him in worst Joker stakes since then!). To be fair to Ledger though Romero, Nicholson and Hamill were all superb and hard acts to follow.

[Plissken]

Tom Hardy is a textbook example of a very good actor constantly trying to get out from under the ego and attitude of an massive arsehole.

 

Jared Leto is the same, except without the very good actor bit.

[Loik V credern]

I don't think Come And See is great really. I watched it with high expectations because of the reverence its held in but it's one of those great in theory films. It is regarded as the best war film. The idea of a child joining up and not participating but witnessing the horrors of war as he visibly ages is exciting, but the way it's done...joining up then soon not following the soldiers and getting lost, meeting a girl, it going strange, returning home seemingly days after leaving and the film trying to communicate that time had passed and devastation had occurred, then trying to link the opening with the war that followed to the kid (I think...) is messy and confused, the film just ambles along and I don’t think it earns the emotion it's trying to achieve at its end. It's so disjointed and doesn't capture time passing well at all. 

[Exidor]

3 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

I don't think Come And See is great really... It's so disjointed and doesn't capture time passing well at all. 

 

I didn't think it was supposed to show time passing. I mean, no more so than any other film. I thought the point of the bit at the beginning is that he's away from home for a few days discovering that soldiering isn't as much fun as he thought it would be and that's all the time it takes for everything he knew to be destroyed by the Germans, and it was pure fluke that he left and had a shit time in the woods instead of winding up dead too. And everything after that is just him trying and failing to outrun the war. He doesn't visibly age so much as visibly become the face of war's effect on innocence.

[Halkyon]

On 28/03/2022 at 13:46, BossSaru said:

David Lynch's Dune is better than Denis Villeneuve's.

 

It didn't land with me either, very flat, and Momoa's character was distractingly bad.

 

A couple of opinions I foster:
 

The Artist (2011) was only silent because it was so far up its own arse you couldn't hear it.

The Avengers (2012) was one of the worst films I've ever paid to see.

[Couch Corpse]

3 hours ago, Loik V credern said:

The Aviator is..can't recall much about it

My memory tells me I liked the movie, but the only bit I remember and loved was the gradual engineering improvements to improve the plane's speed, that shit was cool.

 

 

[Camel]

I very much doubt Columbus ever set foot in a cinema.

[Ry]

Seen as we are all talking in absolutes...

 

Daniel Day Lewis is the greatest actor that has ever lived. 

 

Daniel Plainview alone is the best performance I have ever seen. 

 

* Is this contravesial? Fuck knows.

 

He is.

[Ry]

Tennents lager ain't nice. 

[Waggo]

James Cameron can’t handle big budgets!!!!
 

Based on the fact his best movies were produced on a shoestring.  

 

Anybody saying what about T2 is just plain wrong, as the original Terminator shits all over it.

 

 

[Fierce Poodle]

Can’t disagree with that. Avatar is an absolute turd of a movie.

[JamesC]

I liked Terminator 2, Aliens and Titanic. 

[Festoon]

6 hours ago, Ry said:

Seen as we are all talking in absolutes...

 

Daniel Day Lewis is the greatest actor that has ever lived. 

 

Daniel Plainview alone is the best performance I have ever seen. 

 

* Is this contravesial? Fuck knows.

 

He is.

 

Yeah, he is. He literally unbalances Gangs Of New York as he's so much better in it than everyone else that you only want to watch him and it makes Leo and Diaz feel utterly bland.

 

I still think that what PTA saw and went 'I need that for an entire film'.

[Waggo]

2 hours ago, JamesC said:

I liked Terminator 2, Aliens and Titanic. 

Aliens was made on a very tight budget, so falls into the category of his best work.  If you have not seen it you should check out The Aliens episode of ‘The Films That Made Us’ on Netflix to get an idea how tightly they were counting the pennies.

 

T2 while a good film is as I said in my original post not a patch on the original Terminator film, which does not have an ounce of bloat on it.

 

As for Titanic it is all melodrama and spectacle (i.e bloat).  ‘A Night To Remember’ made forty or so years earlier in black and white does a much better job of telling the Titanic story.

 

 

[Nick R]

My controversial opinion is that I'm tired of controversial opinion threads on the Internet, because every online discussion of films/music/TV/books/games eventually turns into a controversial opinion thread, making dedicated controversial opinion threads redundant.

[SeanR]

1 minute ago, Nick R said:

My controversial opinion is that I'm tired of controversial opinion threads on the Internet, because every online discussion of films/music/TV/books/games eventually turns into a controversial opinion thread, making dedicated controversial opinion threads redundant.

ooh, controversial!

[Nick R]

2 minutes ago, SeanR said:

ooh, controversial!

 

Well, it's my opinion.