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Surely the review's gotta remain consistent? The number at the end should be able to be a fairly decent reflection of what is written.

Makes sense to me, anyways.

Then it's the text that should be altered or certain points elucidated. If give an eight surely I mean an eight? That is the intangible benefit of having a scoring system for any medium. The advantage of scores is that outside of the text which can be interpreted there is a more universal weigting of the games merits outside of interpretation.

Or something.

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I own this:

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...but that still doesn't stop me from slamming Virtual On Marz. After all, the original is probably the greatest versus game ever created.

Nexus is a great game and is also part of series that also has other great games (bar Armored Core 2 and Armored Core 2 Another Age). In a fair world, that needs to be stated.

Their is also nothing wrong with having a specialised knowledge base, so long as everybody covers everything individually.

...and Nexus is damn inclusive.

.::: Call me mad, but isn't that Darth Vader reflected in the right monitor? :angry:

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admittedly - if the text reads like the game is average or even poor, but still has a high score, it may get adjusted afterwards once the whole team has read through the review and discussed it thoroughly.

I don't think the score has to match the text at all.

I think Edge's Mario Sunshine review is the perfect example in this case. The text reflects the sheer disappointment of a come down from Mario 64. The score represents that the game is still a good game.

I'd imagine it's the same with the Galleon review, long time coming, looked like been great. Big disappoinment. Maybe. I haven't played it yet.

That's my 50 cent anyway.

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Singstar 7.

It seems they don't like party games.

ffs.

Buy the magazine.

Read the review.

*THEN* decide whether you think the score is reasonable, given the points made.

They might just think that 30 songs isn't enough for the game. Or that some part of the execution isn't quite all there. Or that a game should be playable by a single player, who'll still get a lot of fun out of it. Or that the graphics would be better drawn Vib Ribbon style. Or they may have just got a big advertising contract with Konami (joke, btw).

A review is always going to misrepresent a game to someone.

A score just misrepresents everything to everyone.

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Get some perspective, you bilious little shit. You actually have zero palapable idea of how much effort goes into that magazine, only for you to dismiss it with a self-important little wave, on a whim of whatever cancerously magnified little bee-in-a-jar crusade you've decided to dramatically roll your eyes about this time.

I could put a lot of effort into being a ballet dancer, but I still wouldn't be very skilled at it. EDGE's staff may work very hard, or at least put on a show to that effect, but the actual content of the mag is still callous and vapid. They don't care about the content of games, merely how cool they can look whilst writing about it. It has improved, marginally, as of late but it still has a long way to go before it is actually a magazine about games.

As for perspective, this is a thread about a games magazine in a games forum. If you don't care about games then what are you doing here?

And for fuck's sake, it's Edge, not EDGE. Idiot.

It's written "EDGE" on the front of the magazine.

I have also e-mailed Mart, though I am clearly disappointed with his post.

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An expert reviewer certainly, someone with an incredibly vast vocabulary, an appropriate sense of humour, insightful viewpoint and a critical eye, but the idea that someone has to be an expert in the genre they're reviewing (and bear in mind that genres are somewhat nebulous constructs formed more by me-too publishers than anything else) is bizarre. Care to provide any evidence for such an argument?

EDIT- after all, when it comes to being objective and writing for non-experts., you have to try to ignore all that experise. :angry:

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As an aside, is the hiring of new staff writers over and done with?

I applied and got the standard "Too many applicants to phone up to tell to fuck off" letter. I'm guessing I'd have got a call by now had I been deemed as suitable.

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I think Edge's Mario Sunshine review is the perfect example in this case. The text reflects the sheer disappointment of a come down from Mario 64. The score represents that the game is still a good game.

Actually I thought the Sunshine review read very much like a 9, despite it being negative for most of the text. "Second best platform game ever" justified everything about the score.

The text has to match the score at the end, or having a score is completely pointless.

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Erm, surely getting an "expert" to review something is pretty essential...

I mean, if my Nan reviewed the F355 it would be pretty shite wouldn't it?

I think you need an "expert" gamer. By this I mean somebody that has played a reasonable amount of games, because you need a benchmark and other games to make comparisons. And you need to know what to look at when reviewing, ie: how the camera is. Also: technical words, so you don't sound like a div. ie: "HUD". Someone picked off the street couldn't review a game to a standard that people expect. Although it would be interesting to see what a none-gamer review sounds like.

However, you don't need an expert in a genre. Somebody who knows a type of game inside out, can easily have an adverse effect, because they can be too critical having exausted the genre themselves. Or whatever.

I think all that makes sense. I was watching the news as I typed it, so it could mean anything.

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As an aside, is the hiring of new staff writers over and done with?

I applied and got the standard "Too many applicants to phone up to tell to fuck off" letter. I'm guessing I'd have got a call by now had I been deemed as suitable.

I applied a few weeks ago and was rejected because there were no job positions, I didn't actually apply for any specific job though, just emailed asking for a job. Gis a job. They said no, though they did so nicely and politely :angry:

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During my time with Edge it was pretty rare that we'd adjust scores after a review had been submitted (and we'd never have dreamed of instructing a reviewer what score to award a game).

That's why Edge's review scoring was/is so inconsistent. Not a problem if the score is unambiguously meant to reflect the reviewer's opinion, but with no bylines and the assumption by many (that I'm not sure if Edge ever promoted, but surely didn't do much to dissuade) that the scoring system was meant to be cohesive and 'final'.

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Great thread by the way. Started getting really interesting around page 7, for latecomers. Good to see one-joke trolls like Pope! and promising rookie Corky being ignored by all sides.

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That's why Edge's review scoring was/is so inconsistent.

You can't have a "consistent" score system.

And who wants, anyway?

A score has one purpose : making a summary now and here. It's pretty easy to get back a few issues and laugh at older scores.

But it's pointless, or at least only funny for comedy purposes.

Did you ever had the pleasure to correct exams? I know it's a different matter, but I did. And the same "critic" (me), in the course of two days, would have given two different marks (in fact 8 and 6 out of ten) for the very same copy. And it was an exam designed (by me by the way) to avoid this, with no success.

Since that day, I try to avoid arguments about "how someone is wrong about one mark".

Apart from MK:DD, of course.

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