Jump to content
IGNORED

Tool

Hoop

By Hoop
in Music

 Share

Recommended Posts

Transient Curse

Transient Curse

Posted
Posted

I've changed my mind - it's actually the greatest rock album ever released. BRING IT.

Gimme something to work with, come on!

Hehe. Give it time, Wah. Give their back catalogue a thorough once-over, and put it into the context of all that's gone before. It really is a quality CD.

Oh right, yeah, I've not heard Tool before so I should probably check out what they've released before so I can shape my opinion. Thanks!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Rsdio

Rsdio

Posted
Posted
I noted when I saw APC the first time that he didn't do any screams in Judith and that when Tool played Ticks and Leeches he didn't do any there either, just sang it in the kind of hoarse vocal he seems to be using alot now with alot of distortion.

To be fair, they didn't play Ticks and Leeches live for ages after Lateralus came out because he said it would fuck up his voice to do it. Understandable if he wants to use distortion on something like that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Transient Curse

Transient Curse

Posted
Posted

To be fair, they didn't play Ticks and Leeches live for ages after Lateralus came out because he said it would fuck up his voice to do it. Understandable if he wants to use distortion on something like that.

I remember an interview with him when he said that, yes. My point however is that he's not screaming live as his voice can't handle it anymore and perhaps this has spread to him writing vocal parts more conservatively. I note that he doesn't sing many high notes on the record either.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lovelyman

Lovelyman

Posted
Posted

I always find with an album I have massive expectation of, I need to listen to it loads until I pretty much know it, then take a break from it.

Then when you come back to it the subtleties hit you really hard in the face because you remember the main riffs and changes and rhythms, but the little things that make it amazing then stand out all the more.

I haven't had a chance to listen to this yet, so might just do so in bed tonight :)

Hope it works out for you Wah, really do :(

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lovelyman

Lovelyman

Posted
Posted

You know what? I don't get what the point of wings part 2 is. It seems to be an 11 minute noodling session.

Some of the other tracks are starting to take shape, but I can see why people would say it doesn't get going very often.

Hmm.

Feedback in a few days.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Transient Curse

Transient Curse

Posted
Posted

In case Wah's sneering, toys-out-of-the-pram manner might suggest otherwise to a passing reader of this thread, 10,000 Days is actually brilliant, and he's a bitter, jaded old man. Album of the year.

I'd love to be as easily impressed as you, but I'm not. Do you firmly believe that something subjective can have arbitrary values assigned to it? To keep gushing about how great the album is doesn't mean that other people will like it eventually if you keep championing its cause. In fact I imagine people will just get sick of your relelentless voicing of opinion, at least I had the lucidity to state the reasons I had for not thinking it was album of the year.

Still, enjoy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MalevolentPanda

MalevolentPanda

Posted
Posted

In case Wah's sneering, toys-out-of-the-pram manner might suggest otherwise to a passing reader of this thread, 10,000 Days is actually brilliant, and he's a bitter, jaded old man.

That's not how he comes across at all.

Album of the year.

It's April.

I might have to acquire this and have a listen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Orchid

Orchid

Posted
Posted

I see where you're coming from Wah.

I just downloaded Vicarious, as it's the single and it's gonna be out soon anyways and on the first few listenings I wasn't impressed.

I took time to read up about the album and what the basis was, I personally have a need to know what a song is about before I can appreciate it fully.

Took time to work it out enough to understand that it wasn't some senseless shit that you would expect from any other.

Then again it depends what you're looking to be impressed by, if you don't like it then you don't like it. Fair is fair.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Rsdio

Rsdio

Posted
Posted
Perhaps you were expecting more in terms of 'grandiose' prog anthems. Again, I think that'd be asking a lot. Lateralus took 5 years, let's not forget. Would you rather wait all that time, or have what is an brilliant CD in your hands right now?

I thought this album took five years as well.. Did I miss something?

I'm still reserving judgement personally, until the lyrics are about and the songs can be explored fully (sounds wanky, but I couldn't think of a better way to put it). Although they are slow burners I did like all of Tool's other stuff immediately to some extent, which I can't say for most of this one. So far I think it's 'alright', which is usually the worst thing for me to think.

Is it ironic?

I truly hope so, but the fact that there's a song called 'The Pot' as well makes me wonder. It's more what I'd expect from Electric Wizard song titles really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Orchid

Orchid

Posted
Posted

Wouldn't there be some humour in taking the piss with song names?

You know seemingly going against what they "stand for" and such.

Really, if they're good songs, who gives a fuck if the names are a bit off.

They obviously don't.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MalevolentPanda

MalevolentPanda

Posted
Posted

I truly hope so, but the fact that there's a song called 'The Pot' as well makes me wonder. It's more what I'd expect from Electric Wizard song titles really.

Oh god, it didn't even occur to me that that was a weed reference too, now I'm listening to it, it blatantly is. They aren't Cypress Hill, they can't get away with that.

I'm tempted to not listen to it any more JUST BECAUSE OF THAT.

Wouldn't there be some humour in taking the piss with song names?

You'd hope so, but they seem to have forgotten the humour bit. :wub:

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lovelyman

Lovelyman

Posted
Posted

You never know re the song titles.

I think it will be as the lyrics I can make out seem quite condescending.

I remember when I bought Lateralus. I listened to it in the car for about 3 months before it clicked.

I'm loving the subtleness of this album, sounds like it's more influenced by the same thing that in the woods are influenced by, but coming at it from a totally different angle.

I want to go and listen again as I have started to get to know the basic song structures.

Which song is it (maybe track 4 but not sure) that has the totally fucked up timing with the guitar playing some weird lick out of time with the bass?

And another question!

I really find it hard to figure out what timing most of the songs are in. But I find it easy with stuff like APC and QOTSA. What gives?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lovelyman

Lovelyman

Posted
Posted

Vicarious means either "experienced or gained through someone else" or "done on behalf of others".

Jambi is the name of a province of Indonesia, as well as the name of the wish-granting genie character who lived inside a TV on the show Pee-wee's Playhouse.

"Marie" is the middle name of Maynard James Keenan's deceased mother, Judith Marie Keenan.

As Keenan explains on commentary on aMOTION, his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days. [6]

It was recently revealed in an Adam Jones interview with Guitar World that one of the lyrics on the album to

the song "The Pot" is "Who are you to wave the finger?" Jones confirmed the meaning of the lyric as the "pot calling the kettle black".

The Lipan are an Apache tribe, known as the "Tall Grass People".

An April 7 post on toolband.com specifically mentions Dr. Albert Hofmann, the "father" of LSD, stating that on that date he synthesized LSD.

The Rosetta Stone is a granite stone found in Egypt; the stone was the key to deciphering the hieroglyphs; it was also used as a pseudonym for children's author Dr. Seuss.

"Viginti Tres" is Latin for "Twenty Three" - the number has a lot of historical, mathematical, and occult significance, as well as in American slang, where "23 skidoo" means to leave a place quickly.

There is a hidden message about a minute and a half into "Intension." The vocals sound reversed, and when played, the phrases "work hard," "stay in school," "listen to your mother," "your father is right" can be heard.

They change the timing bunches of times throughout songs like bands such as meshuggah, mudvayne and all.

See but you can hear the judder when those bands do it.

Do they change timings at different times? That's the only reason I can think to see why I find it hard to get. I mean like play a riff in 5/4 but play the drums in 7/8 or something?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Orchid

Orchid

Posted
Posted

It can sound cool I guess, creating different sound scapes. It all comes together as far I can gather.

If it sounds shit then there's no point in inter changing different guitar, bass, drums timings because it's a waste of time. If you can make it work like they can then you may aswell.

They change timing gradually, like overlays with other instruments and timings, I geuss that's why it's hard to get. I recently reformatted so i've lost all the music on here but there are a few intros in Lateralus that overlap like that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MalevolentPanda

MalevolentPanda

Posted
Posted

It was recently revealed in an Adam Jones interview with Guitar World that one of the lyrics on the album to the song "The Pot" is "Who are you to wave the finger?" Jones confirmed the meaning of the lyric as the "pot calling the kettle black".

Err, yes, it's a pun, and it's shit. The lyric: 'you must have been high' is repeated through the song. It obviously is a weed reference.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Use of this website is subject to our Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, and Guidelines.

  I accept