Anime

[Mr.Jeff]

I'd recommend everyone go download Kangoku Senkan. What a fantastic science-fiction/political show.

Wow.

It's good to see you're keeping up with your hardcore politcal series like you normally do. I think rather than your top 10 anime list, you'd be better off making a list of top 10 "deep philospophical yet poignant" series featuring your favourites such as Bible Black and Taimin Asagi.

[imp]

One piece movie 6 has the worst animation ever.

The one Imaishi did the key animation for? The one set on the island with the Baron guy? The only One Piece film worth watching? SACRILEGE!

[Dandy_Sephy]

I presume thats sarcasm on your part? It's no better or worse then the first 5 in terms of the film itself, but the animation is awful, especially for a proper movie release.

Actually i'll rephrase, the character animation is awful, they pissed their budget away on needless CG

[Meh]

THAT IS NOT WHAT GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH TOLD ME

Google does not mention how deep the show goes into the effects deep space travel has on a crew wholly comprised of muscled and scarred males, and their hopeless need for happiness in the otherwise empty void. They're portrayed as terrorists, simply because they are misunderstood; though the brainwashing and subsequent violent rape of two prominent agents does go some way to painting them in a negative light.

It's good to see you're keeping up with your hardcore politcal series like you normally do. I think rather than your top 10 anime list, you'd be better off making a list of top 10 "deep philospophical yet poignant" series featuring your favourites such as Bible Black and Taimin Asagi.

And Popotan.

[imp]

I presume thats sarcasm on your part? It's no better or worse then the first 5 in terms of the film itself, but the animation is awful, especially for a proper movie release.

Actually i'll rephrase, the character animation is awful, they pissed their budget away on needless CG

I'm actually deadly serious, it's literally the only one I like, mainly because of the Imaishi stuff. I like his take on the characters. I actually thought the animation was what made it stand out from the rest.

(Fargal, back me up here!)

[Kyouma]

I love Imaishi animation.

[imp]

I love Imaishi animation.

I know, how can you not love it?

[Hackign]

Had a quick youtube of OP6 and I have to agree with Imp. The animation is wonderful and is more fluid than the usual anime movies.

[Dandy_Sephy]

When half the film looks like this, it's hard to agree.

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Movies should not be putting out crap like that. The later parts of the film may be good, but when the first half of the film has to suffer for it, it's of debatable value. They clearly put all the effort into the "big scenes" and left the first half of the movie to the works experience kid. It's like a especially cheap Studio Pierrot scene for much of the movie. Expensive CG in the background, rubbish characters in front.

Whereas the 5th film has a decent consistency across the whole length, and the characters actually look like they should.

[Dandy_Sephy]

On a more positive note, I fucking love School Rumble. Why the fuck did I not watch it when it came out?

[imp]

I think that admittedly low res shot isn't bad. I really like the style of the characters, they look a bit cooler than they do in the anime series. Still, it's really about the flow of the animation, and I'd say that's apparent as soon as the film kicks off about 10-15 minutes in.

[Dandy_Sephy]

I think that admittedly low res shot isn't bad.

You can't be serious? It would have been awful for the Tv series, and the first 20minutes of the movie are filled with shots like that, often in front of excessive CG. Studio Pierrot get ripped to shit for having a couple of frames like this, and shots like that are everywhere. In some scenes Robin doesn't even have any limbs!

I should note that pic is a crop btw, but it's almost center of the shot and depthwise right infront of the "camera"

I really like the style of the characters,

Flat, dull and uninspired?

The comments here surprise me. I watched this a few hours after watching the 5th movie, and taking each movie as a whole, the 5th was noticeably superior. The flow of the animation may be great at times in the 6th, but it's let down by the other half of the movie and CG that doesn't need to be there. It simply looks inferior to the tv series in many scenes. I also don't expect to see Gainax style line drawings in One Piece It really doesn't have the effect it does in Evangelion and Kare Kano....

[FargalEX]

One piece movie 6 has the worst animation ever.

Suddenly, all of Dandy Sephy's opinions became invalid!

I'm actually deadly serious, it's literally the only one I like, mainly because of the Imaishi stuff. I like his take on the characters. I actually thought the animation was what made it stand out from the rest.

(Fargal, back me up here!)

BACK UP 5000

Agreed to the MAX.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Suddenly, all of Dandy Sephy's opinions became invalid!

Ironically, i'm thinking the same about you lot. The thing is, the first 20minutes don't reflect the status of the the guys previous works, or the high opinion you lot seem to have. And if you can watch the first 20minutes without finding some of the animation a bit dodgy, then I don't see us agreeing much in future. The start of the film* does not match the quality of the middle or end (and no, the obvious CG doesn't count)

*which is what I based my initial comment on, because frankly it was that bad

[FargalEX]

Just out of interest, how are you defining "quality" animation? I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove with the screencap you posted as it looks cool to me. It's a nice drawing style. Also, when you're watching a One Piece film you're watching one of what, 9 so far? You can't expect a Disney feature budget or timescale.

[imp]

You can't be serious? It would have been awful for the Tv series, and the first 20minutes of the movie are filled with shots like that, often in front of excessive CG. Studio Pierrot get ripped to shit for having a couple of frames like this, and shots like that are everywhere. In some scenes Robin doesn't even have any limbs!

I should note that pic is a crop btw, but it's almost center of the shot and depthwise right infront of the "camera"

Flat, dull and uninspired?

The comments here surprise me. I watched this a few hours after watching the 5th movie, and taking each movie as a whole, the 5th was noticeably superior. The flow of the animation may be great at times in the 6th, but it's let down by the other half of the movie and CG that doesn't need to be there. It simply looks inferior to the tv series in many scenes. I also don't expect to see Gainax style line drawings in One Piece It really doesn't have the effect it does in Evangelion and Kare Kano....

I think it boils down to the fact that I do like the line style, even in that picture! I might be so pretentious as to say there's a great economy to it.

Well, it was a fairly long time ago since I watched but, IIRC, the thing about the crop you posted is that it doesn't really matter that the characters aren't in amazing detail as the opening is mostly showcasing the new environment, pretty splendidly for the most part. It's also generally why the people are pretty small/undetailed compared to the gorgeous backdrops, they're not really the focus of the earlier shots.

Did you watch up to the boat race sequence? If you still don't like the animation after that, then there's no redeeming you you won't like any of it.

Also: Woo, go team! Hackign, Fargal, Piro, you guys are awesome. I would totally punch any of you if you ever went all Rossiu.

[FargalEX]

Also, I only had to see a clip of the goldfish bit on youtube to see just how awesome the 6th film looked in comparison with the others.

[Dandy_Sephy]

*shakes head in disbelief*

I'm not expecting a Disney feature budget, I expected a film that didn't immediately look worse then the previous years film! The first 5 films are all more or less along the lines of the series, something that generally doesn't look like its on a mission to save money. Much of the 6th does, probably to pay for the other half. Anime generally doesn't need 30frame animation, nor do I expect it, but OP6 was severely dissapointing. Not even defining a characters features properly doesn't make for quality animation. It's a relatively common trick to properly detail half a scene, and leave the other half with a clear drop in quality. A lot of this film does it for the entire shot*. I expect that in a Tv budget if there is a lot of action to come, but not a movie budget

Sorry, but I really don't see how that cap looks "cool", theres no definition to it at all. It's lazy and was probably done by someone else.

*Theres a lot of it on the beach.

[FargalEX]

Dandy, I'm getting the impression that you just don't like the drawing style! Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad. It's also not just down to how the characters look, it's how they move - and in 6 there's so much weight and characterisation in the movements, they're springy and full of energy. I just watched a bit from the 5th film on youtube and it looked very standard to me.

[Dandy_Sephy]

I think it boils down to the fact that I do like the line style, even in that picture! I might be so pretentious as to say there's a great economy to it.

Well, it was a fairly long time ago since I watched but, IIRC, the thing about the crop you posted is that it doesn't really matter that the characters aren't in amazing detail as the opening is mostly showcasing the new environment, pretty splendidly for the most part. It's also generally why the people are pretty small/undetailed compared to the gorgeous backdrops, they're not really the focus of the earlier shots.

Did you watch up to the boat race sequence? If you still don't like the animation after that, then there's no redeeming you you won't like any of it.

Also: Woo, go team! Hackign, Fargal, Piro, you guys are awesome. I would totally punch any of you if you ever went all Rossiu.

It's not that it didn't redeem itself. As I say my original shock was based on the opening, where it was very noticable. Throughout the rest of the film it was much better, with the occasional lapse being obvious because I noticed it before. There were shots I liked for sure, but they were in the minority. The bit where the weird thing splits in two was very Evangelion imo, and thats a compliment.

I think on the whole it just wasn't what I would think of as One Piece, which really is the deal breaker. If it was some random film I'd not care, but it didn't feel "right".

I don't mind low detail, artsy or experimental animation, if it's appropriate (like switching to Super Deformed in comedy), but I don't think this is a case where it applies.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Also, I only had to see a clip of the goldfish bit on youtube to see just how awesome the 6th film looked in comparison with the others.

Now that I liked!

Dandy, I'm getting the impression that you just don't like the drawing style! Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad. It's also not just down to how the characters look, it's how they move - and in 6 there's so much weight and characterisation in the movements, they're springy and full of energy. I just watched a bit from the 5th film on youtube and it looked very standard to me.

I liked it when it was good if thats what you mean....! I just don't think it was very One Piece, which after 300 eps and the previous 5 movies is hard to accept. The "springy energy" doesn't apply across the whole film. The landing on the island didn't have it for sure.

Somehow I suspect I won't be making many complaints when I get to Episode of Arabasta...

[Dandy_Sephy]

Did you watch up to the boat race sequence?

That crop is from the boat race. Theres a properly animated Usopp standing just in front of him on the original.

Anyway, enough of this, I'm off to start K-on

[Mr.Jeff]

Judging by that single image, I couldn't really say that the animation is suffering from the stabdard "lazy artist" sydromme as seen in more recent stuff like geass and gundam. It's reasonabley accurate even if it's not detailed.

To make a long story short, Meh likes tentacle rape.

Edit: School Rumble is awesome right up until episode 3 of series 2. After that it becomes too angsty/drama-filled.

[imp]

Judging by that single image, I couldn't really say that the animation is suffering from the stabdard "lazy artist" sydromme as seen in more recent stuff like geass and gundam. It's reasonabley accurate even if it's not detailed.

Post the picture of the gun in Geass!

[Mr.Jeff]

If I had it, I would. Even better, if I'd remembered to take some screenshots of Tytania's moments that would have been even better. Middle range close ups having quality animation. Amazing scenes.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Oh ffs.

I want to learn the bass line for Valkyria's* op. To achieve this I require either someone to have tabbed it already (not this quickly), or more likely, a midi file**. Can I find one? No, which would be understandable if there wasn't a bloody youtube video of one But can I find the file used in it? Can I fuck

*My choice for best looking show of the season

**I've a program that will convert the midi notes to something more useful

[FargalEX]

It would appear that you are totally addicted to bass. Ohwo-a-wu-oh.

[Dandy_Sephy]

and this summer I might actually properly learn Karenai Hana.....

[Kyouma]

Anyone following Natsu no Arashi?

Also: Woo, go team! Hackign, Fargal, Piro, you guys are awesome. I would totally punch any of you if you ever went all Rossiu.

That means a lot to me, bro.

[Mr.Jeff]

Anyone following Natsu no Arashi?

Yes. Quite good despite the slightly odd looking character designs. Needs to get back to Hajime and Arashi rather than the other 2 though.