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Dandy_Sephy

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I like downloading stuff. At the very least it offers me a nice load of stuff should my internet fuck up or if I'm not near a connection at all. Fair enough that streaming quality may improve but that's only if your connection can handle it going in the first place.

As I said before though, not everything is available streamed, so you'll generally have a set of stuff to watch "offline". I watch some stuff streamed, some stuff from dvd iso, and various combinations of encodes and resolutions. So, personally I always have something to watch regardless (and I have had routing issues within the house where such things came in handy).

As far as people bitching about wuality, it's all to do with people actually caring. Go to the games folder and you'll see the same inane "not available for 1080p dmi cable jazz monkey tv with the sub-prime tit humper? This game is shit". it's the same business. You can argue about the ridiculous complexities of which of 2 "hq" files is actually the ultimate but in comparison to SD versus some of the proper hd encodes, the difference is amazing.

I've got no problem with people caring, I've started getting Hd versions of stuff where available myself. It's the assumption that not having a specific encode is the end of the world, or immediately makes the alternative not worth bothering with. The Shippuden streams on Crunchy for example were no different in video quality to Dattebayo's for example. I've seen comments in the thread saying that they are watching group x's encode, but downloading group y's encode for archiving. Does it really make a difference to archive a different group to who you watched?

But then I watch a lot of stuff from the 70s, so I don't need to see all this CG in uberquality. If I can sure, but I've no issue with people dropping FMA2, because I can see it for free, legally, in a decent enough quality for it to be watchable (how decent I don't know, not tried Funi's service for anything recent)

I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm a filthy fucking pirate but if people are going to want to download, at least allow them the oppurtunity.

Hey, I'm one too, but when you have immediate, on demand, free access, I don't see any benefit beyond archiving (which I stopped long ago thanks to it's quickly getting out of hand). It's no different to me deleting a download once I've watched it or deleting a dvd iso once i've watched it. Life's too short to keep copys of everything just in case. Streaming saves me having to do anything to watch something straight away

P.S; The emergence of more and more reasonably priced dvd boxsets is awesome.

Agreed, and oddly Manga Ent have had a lot to do with this. And ADV imploding helped too :P

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Dandy_Sephy

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I don't get it though, man. Why go through all the extra hassle and effort of streaming when it's easier just to download the same thing, but superior in every single possible way?

What effort and hassle? I've got a proxy setup, one click to enable it when I want to watch something locked. If I want to watch say, Naruto I don't need anything as its not locked. I can start it instantly, instead of having to find a torrent, download the torrent, run the torrent, wait for it to download, then watch it. I certainly can't watch it randomly without downloading it first. Ok, could use IRC and get it quicker, but it's still more hassle then watching a stream.

Click, watch, continue. vs click, download, run, download, watch, continue

Being a better codec/res/whatever doesn't change the content or my enjoyment of the content. Yeah it might look better, but it's not essential.

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Kyouma

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Do you want to explain exactly what's wrong with all the red shit highlighted in the picture? It all seems pretty fair as far as I can see.

The worst ones there:

- Embedding shit that tracks your files into what you're downloading

- h.264 for iPod.... :P

- Using the word "high quality" and "xvid" in the same sentence

- suggesting VLC instead of CCCP+MPC or something that isn't VLC

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Yeah it might look better, but it's not essential.

Yeah, it is. You sound sort of like a corporate salesmen, you don't work for CR do you? :P

"I've got a proxy setup" - Isn't as complex as clicking a link and torrent starting automatically and telling me once it's done in a popup I just have to click on again? In addition to that I can use the player of choice and put shit out onto my tv or whatever.

Quality for money. A lot of us aren't willing to part with money for things that aren't the best. And when something free is vastly superior to something that you're supposed to pay for... Companies just never learn. With the whole lawsuit mentality they won't start anytime soon either. Maybe that will change a bit when the oldfarts are dead and the younger people who grew up with the internet are in the top spots.

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"I've got a proxy setup" - Isn't as complex as clicking a link and torrent starting automatically and telling me once it's done in a popup I just have to click on again? In addition to that I can use the player of choice and put shit out onto my tv or whatever.

Setting up the proxy is no more complicated then installing and configuring a torrent client. After that it's "instant on". Very few torrents will actually give you the episode in "real time". Using the player of your choice isn't an issue, the file plays back the same whatever, and i'm watching GE999 streamed on my tv this moment. If you wanted to watch Saki or Shangrila, you don't even need the proxy

Quality for money. A lot of us aren't willing to part with money for things that aren't the best. And when something free is vastly superior to something that you're supposed to pay for... Companies just never learn. With the whole lawsuit mentality they won't start anytime soon either. Maybe that will change a bit when the oldfarts are dead and the younger people who grew up with the internet are in the top spots.

But these are free subs! Whats money got to do with it? yeah you can pay and not wait a week for the episode or in better quality, but thats entirely optional. You are confusing paying to download and keep legally with streaming. :P

and if you think better quality then a sd feed is essential, then you are just suggesting to me that quality is more important then content, which you surely don't believe?. Additionally, theres stuff up for streaming at the moment, that simply isn't available elsewhere. Whats the arguement against streaming for those?

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Setting up the proxy is no more complicated then installing and configuring a torrent client. After that it's "instant on". Very few torrents will actually give you the episode in "real time". Using the player of your choice isn't an issue, the file plays back the same whatever, and i'm watching GE999 streamed on my tv this moment. If you wanted to watch Saki or Shangrila, you don't even need the proxy

But these are free subs! Whats money got to do with it? yeah you can pay and not wait a week for the episode or in better quality, but thats entirely optional. You are confusing paying to download and keep legally with streaming. :P

and if you think better quality then a sd feed is essential, then you are just suggesting to me that quality is more important then content, which you surely don't believe?.

You have to fiddle around with websites, shitty interfaces, links, all assuming your internet connection is in perfect working order and the webpage doesn't fuck up. The fact that you're talking about the legal, moral option while proxying seems odd to me, really. Surely it's your obligation to go through the hassle of signing up. In the end, torrenting is easier and faster. You can't seriously deny that.

I don't need things in real time. I don't spontaneously watch anime.

Player of your choice is just something that's nice to have. An easy to use UI with keyboard shortcuts for taking a screenshot, minimizing and hiding, fullscreen, etc. With streaming you don't get a choice. Of course the quality isn't more important than the content, but if it's really good content, then experiencing it in anything less than the best possible quality wouldn't be doing it or yourself justice. This is 2009. There's no excuse for not watching things in their best possible quality if you enjoy anime to the extent of calling yourself a fan.

Additionally, theres stuff up for streaming at the moment, that simply isn't available elsewhere. Whats the arguement against streaming for those?

I'll wait for DVD rips of said series to be released by a fan group, then. I'm in no rush. I've got a backlog of lovely already downloaded, high quality series at the click of a button away in this folder of mine. Hell, I might even convert an episode or two onto my iPod so I can watch it on the train. Enjoy your bad quality streams.

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You have to fiddle around with websites, shitty interfaces, links, all assuming your internet connection is in perfect working order and the webpage doesn't fuck up. The fact that you're talking about the legal, moral option while proxying seems odd to me, really. Surely it's your obligation to go through the hassle of signing up. In the end, torrenting is easier and faster. You can't seriously deny that.

I don't need things in real time. I don't spontaneously watch anime.

Fiddle? Oh please, it's no more fiddling then looking around for torrents. Signing up will make no difference, region locked content is still region locked. Torrenting isn't easier, nor faster. I'm denying it because using the two suggests it isn't. You are arguing that torrents are faster and easier because you only have to download and run the torrent. But Streaming doesn't require any looking for files or downloading 200+mb files. and it's certainly faster because the entire episode will be cached before I've gotten halfway.

Player of your choice is just something that's nice to have. An easy to use UI with keyboard shortcuts for taking a screenshot, minimizing and hiding, fullscreen, etc. With streaming you don't get a choice. Of course the quality isn't more important than the content, but if it's really good content, then experiencing it in anything less than the best possible quality wouldn't be doing it or yourself justice. This is 2009. There's no excuse for not watching things in their best possible quality if you enjoy anime to the extent of calling yourself a fan.

Right, so i'm not a fan because I'm not importing £35 blu-rays then? Unless you aren't telling us something, I don't think you are either... And no, 1080i/p rips aren't the same ;)

I'll wait for DVD rips of said series to be released by a fan group, then. I'm in no rush. I've got a backlog of lovely already downloaded, high quality series at the click of a button away in this folder of mine. Hell, I might even convert an episode or two onto my iPod so I can watch it on the train. Enjoy your bad quality streams.

Yeah good luck with that. Not many groups will buy £100+ boxsets for subbing :P I too have a lot of hq files handy, but sometimes I just want to watch something different. Without waiting days for a torrent to finish because I didn't download it in advance. *hears virtualdub finishing it's batch conversion* Don't worry, I'll enjoy my content with perfectly acceptable video, rather then being obsessed over how shiny it is :( One thing to enjoy HQ, another to insist it has to be HQ.

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Yeah good luck with that. Not many groups will buy £100+ boxsets for subbing :P I too have a lot of hq files handy, but sometimes I just want to watch something different. Without waiting days for a torrent to finish because I didn't download it in advance. *hears virtualdub finishing it's batch conversion* Don't worry, I'll enjoy my content with perfectly acceptable video, rather then being obsessed over how shiny it is :( One thing to enjoy HQ, another to insist it has to be HQ.

You do realise that DVD anime gets uploaded to the internet, right? And that subbers aren't usually the people who buy it themselves, they just release it with subs. Your standards are low, and you can't press them onto other people. If you have anything above a 14" monitor you should care about the quality, either that or you should seek advice from an optician. In the end, the quality is vastly inferior, I don't want to go about the trouble of setting up proxies or learning how to navigate random streaming sites, my internet connection has a habit of disconnecting every 30 minutes for 0.001 seconds that would break streaming whereas torrents are fine, I like the utility of my own media player, the features you get on it you could not get with streaming, I enjoy collecting, rewatching, and manipulating videos and video files - and my friends often take their anime from me on a regular basis, so it's handy for them just popping around with an external HD and copying it over. But if you want to watch an inferior product of your own free choice, I can't stop you.

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Again, 37" tv, there is nothing wrong with my eyes. Unlike others I've not been spoilt by quality that didn't exist 5years ago (and wasn't amazingly common until 2-3 years ago). My standards aren't low (i've watched much worse in my time when I didn't have access to anything else), they just aren't excessively high. It used to be that people were only interested in the content, not making sure every file was in a specific codec. But the discussion has dragged way off course - i'm not suggesting everyone dump their precious 720p rips for streaming (nor can you, theres still a lot not streamed), i'm saying its a valid alternative. Which it is, no amount of archiving, editing or anal video format discussions will convince me otherwise. It's not inferior simply because I can enjoy my anime without it having to be in High Def with soft subs, and without having to download it first. If the quality was bad (ie youtube quality) then I wouldn't be watching it. Theres a difference between perfectly watchable and bad quality.

"product" thats a joke right? You are actually referring to free content (legal or not) as product? pppfffttt

Clearly I've lost touch with the fanbase these days, i'm nowhere near snobby enough over my viewing methods, and clearly don't deserve the high quality files I do have :P

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RE: Unicorn

As is so often the case with these “international” releases, a closer reading of their announcement actually guarantees only immediate Japanese/US/Korean availability, but this apparently satisfies Bandai as being “worldwide.”

Hooray for fansubs!

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and epically timed, the new Gundam ( Gundam Unicorn :lol:) has been announced for "simultaneous" release in 10 languages from Winter

What, an anime? Or are they finally translating the book?

Can't freakin' wait either way.

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Regarding this simultaneous release, the Sankaku Complex article implies this isn't the first time it's ever happened, but I'm guessing it's still quite rare. Are there any particularly famous examples of this happening before?

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Again, 37" tv, there is nothing wrong with my eyes. Unlike others I've not been spoilt by quality that didn't exist 5years ago (and wasn't amazingly common until 2-3 years ago).

Ah brings back the memories of 50mb Rurouni Kenshin realmedia files :D

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