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Theres a lot of very passonate anime fans here, me too! (see Kiki thread for Bunta badness) so here another thread for anime fans.

So maybe go and see Lupin series 3 - in fact go and see all the old Lupin, Ulysees 31, all the macross, Orange Road et al.

Anyone seen Perfect Blue? - that was quite a cool movie, and was failry comtemporay when it came out considering the influx of teenage horror craziness that followed in Japanese movies.

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Perfect blue is a great movie (shame the live action version was pretty poor). It got a bit confusing near the end but the 'Innocence lost' scene made me feel physically sick and is the one scene that will always stick in peoples minds after they see it.

Great film but not one I like to see very often,

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It got a bit confusing near the end but the 'Innocence lost' scene made me feel physically sick and is the one scene that will always stick in peoples minds after they see it.

Great film but not one I like to see very often,

Thats very true - that sence reminds me a bit of the film Irreversible, which I found to be very heavy and intense vewing - not really enjoyable but somthing that I would recommend becasue of the impact it has and the way that somthing so negative can stay with you for longer than ten seconds after the film ends. Its one of thoses strange "Its a great great movie, but I didnt enjoy it really - but go and see it cus its so great!"

I have not seen the live action version of Perfect Blue - but heard they had made many changes to the story line?

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l didn't like Perfect Blue, l preferred Boogiepop for that kind for that kind of genre, l prefer his work in the magnificent Millenium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, bsoth must see

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On a games/horror movie/live action anime related note did you know the Japanese girl in AON is also in Juon who's also in the live action version of 'You're Under Arrest'?

You're Under Arrest is funny - but Meh might not like it since it's by the creator of AMG :D

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Don't mention Ju-on, that film really really scared the crap out of me

JU-ON

Btw yakumo, reply to my post on the Japanese horror thread pls :D There's a question on there I asked you regarding Ju-On.

:D

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l didn't like Perfect Blue, l preferred Boogiepop for that kind for that kind of genre, l prefer his work in the magnificent Millenium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers, bsoth must see

millenium Actress was amazing - seeing it at the cinema was a real treat. To be honest, I dont know why on earth this has'nt been picked up for dis over here yet.

One thing that gets me worried is the bastardisation of anime and manga when it gets translated. Initial D, Trigun, Bebop (anime) Lupin, Initial D again, (manga). I understand with manga about fitting a translation into the corret sized space - but why on earth cant we have subs with the orignal music and voice acting? Its teh same with games - how many half decent Japanese RPG's, Horror, even action have been ruined by crappy western voice acting?

(However, the dub of Jackie Chans Police Story cannot be missed - the court room bit is the ultimate in Jap(HK)lish...ever.

"You say you two two buses - I put it to you that that is 50% of a bus"

and so on!

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Did anyone enjoy JC's City Hunter based on the manga?

Weird SFII scene with JC dressed as various characters after he gets thrown head 1st into an SFII arcade machine by Jeff Daniels.

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Did anyone enjoy JC's City Hunter based on the manga?

Weird SFII scene with JC dressed as various characters after he gets thrown head 1st into an SFII arcade machine by Jeff Daniels.

Yeah it was classic! The comic differences were total Chan - losing a lot of the anime humour - but it was a lot of fun.

I thought it was Gary Daniels who played Ken - he want on to play the other Ken in the live action Fist of the North Star - he does all the commentaries on the HKledgends DVDs.

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millenium Actress was amazing - seeing it at the cinema was a real treat. To be honest, I dont know why on earth this has'nt been picked up for dis over here yet.

One thing that gets me worried is the bastardisation of anime and manga when it gets translated. Initial D, Trigun, Bebop (anime) Lupin, Initial D again, (manga). I understand with manga about fitting a translation into the corret sized space - but why on earth cant we have subs with the orignal music and voice acting? Its teh same with games - how many half decent Japanese RPG's, Horror, even action have been ruined by crappy western voice acting?

(However, the dub of Jackie Chans Police Story cannot be missed - the court room bit is the ultimate in Jap(HK)lish...ever.

"You say you two two buses - I put it to you that that is 50% of a bus"

and so on!

Where have you been for the past 3 or so years? Anime DVDs almost always have the original language and subs...

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Live action Perfect Blue review

Also I must recommend Innocence (GitS2) an amazingly deep film that manages to make the Matrix sequels look like kids films.

Thanks for that. From the review it sounds like a let down. The thing which I think Perfect Blue (the anime) did so well and stylishly was the cutting between the four "levels" of reality in the story - the real world, the world as perceived by Mima, the soap story and her soap character's perception of that world. The fantastic pivotal sequence in the middle of the film (each segment starting with Mima on her bed and ending with "cut") that plays with our own perceptions, blurring the distinction between these levels, is the part that sticks in my mind (much more so than the graphic rape scene for example). So it's a shame that this isn't really explored in the film (although not surprising as these were additions by the director not in the original novel).

I'd still love to see a decent western live-action remake of the anime. I reckon David Fincher could nail it. But who would play Mima? In a perfect world it would be a (real life) manufactured pop star who is looking to expand into acting but who ends up alienating her hardcore fans by starring in this graphic, explicit and shocking film "Perfect Blue".

Britney?

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Where have you been for the past 3 or so years? Anime DVDs almost always have the original language and subs...

I been buying Japanese anime dvds for the last three years - but the point I was trying to make was the way that the material gets "localised".

A lot of the time the translations are incorrect, name changing - object names etc. Cutting bits out, changing the music to suit western buyers. There are some very good uk versions of anime - but compared to the way the source material is treated, marketed and sold in Japan, we are still a long way behind. I guess its the collector mentality of it and also that anime is much bigger business in Japan. The flip side is that the chinese dvd rips that are cheap and easy to get often have fan subs - and that can be a real double edged nightmare!

Good pick up Meh btw! What sort of anime you into?

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I highly reccomend Maison Ikkoku supberb anime really funny characters who all very different personalities great stuff

Noir is pretty decent too.

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I been buying Japanese anime dvds for the last three years - but the point I was trying to make was the way that the material gets "localised".

A lot of the time the translations are incorrect, name changing - object names etc. Cutting bits out, changing the music to suit western buyers. There are some very good uk versions of anime - but compared to the way the source material is treated, marketed and sold in Japan, we are still a long way behind. I guess its the collector mentality of it and also that anime is much bigger business in Japan. The flip side is that the chinese dvd rips that are cheap and easy to get often have fan subs - and that can be a real double edged nightmare!

Good pick up Meh btw! What sort of anime you into?

Pretty much anything, as long as it's not Oh! My Goddess.

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Someone mentioned Ulysses 31!

One of the best things to come home from school for. Full of insane imagery of Gods In Spaaace and seeing tridents before things blow up. It was brilliant. I loved the way that the lead character looked like Barry Gibb and could kick ass too... that funky pistol/lightsabre combo and transparent shield.

So, yes. Love Ulysses 31. Battle of the Planets too. Love that. Don't love the hacked-to-fuck American version. No. 7Zark7 is evil and needs to be destroyed. I take it people here have seen the Gatchaman Anime? Basically revamped Battle of the Planets, but very lush indeed.

Other favourites -

Metropolis (love the characters and soundtrack), Castle In The Sky (or Laputa, or whatever it's called nowadays), Ghost In The Shell (goes without saying, really...), Ninja Scroll, Blood (brilliant integration of CG), Evangelion and, of course, Akira.

Fuck. Just reminded myself they're making a live action Evangelion. *gets excited again*

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Initial D's manga translation is horrendous. Itsuku =! Iggy.

Thats only on the dub ive herd (the subbs are fine apart from the slight dumbing down of a relationship or somthing??!!)*

anwyay ive seen perfect blue..well i own it.. i really like it... not not a film ill watch many times or anything but it was a good film to watch...

with the editing of anime...well thats mainly because we live in the uk really rather than anything else and its down to the bbfc/distributers wanting a lower rating.... then there are the Tv stuss (brodcasted on tv) so that just what you expect i guess... in the usa (where you should import froim rather tha horible bootlegges) its pretty much fine without any problems at all.. and with anime booming at the moment thanks to dvd there leaving teh content untouched is a lot more importent nowadays....

*assuming your naeeve using "manga" for anime.....

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I'm pleased to see a dedicated anime thread here - now how long before it descends into the usual elitist snobbery?

Hopefully never :D

Speaking of Ulysses 31 (which has been running on Fox Kids recently), I've rediscovered another lost treasure from my childhood - The mysterious cities of gold.

A japanese/french co-production, this is actually as good as I remember it being, whereas Ulysses 31 isn't anywhere near as smart and engaging. I was very disappointed to see that nostalgia had got the better of me with that one.

As for the UK scene, ADV's line has become stale. In fact, the two essential PAL R2 anime purchases of this year come from MVM and Manga.

I'll never understand how ADV became so popular. They've released some good stuff, true, but the past two years have seen a truckload of crap released.

At the moment, MVM are the only distributors who strike me as being anywhere near adventurous with regards to releases.

Can anyone else believe Manga Enterainment got the rights to Stand Alone Complex? Based on the past couple of years releases, this is shocking, but good news all the same.

GitS: SAC pwns j00

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Can anyone else believe Manga Enterainment got the rights to Stand Alone Complex? Based on the past couple of years releases, this is shocking, but good news all the same.

GitS: SAC pwns j00

You have nothing to fear as its actully a Bandai/manga co-op thing going on... Bandai are making the dvd (thank god) and Manga are just distributing it (phew)... so its hould be a good release...

the latest press release for it is here.... (usa) the uk is planned to be identicle.. but im not sure that we will be getting the same Speshal edition or any...

http://www.animeondvd.com/news/pr.php?pr_view=329

also sos if i sounded a bit elitist i was not in a good mood when i wrote that post :D...

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As for the UK scene, ADV's line has become stale. In fact, the two essential PAL R2 anime purchases of this year come from MVM and Manga.

I'll never understand how ADV became so popular. They've released some good stuff, true, but the past two years have seen a truckload of crap released.

At the moment, MVM are the only distributors who strike me as being anywhere near adventurous with regards to releases.

Can anyone else believe Manga Enterainment got the rights to Stand Alone Complex? Based on the past couple of years releases, this is shocking, but good news all the same.

GitS: SAC pwns j00

Nah, I'm guessing they got it either because they knew they could sell it using their normal 'big name' tactics (It's Ghost in the Shell! Buy it!), or simply they got the license to distribute all GITS related titles with the first film.

Oh, and if you don't class the release of Azumanga Daioh by ADV Films as an essential PAL release then you are DEAD INSIDE.

FACT.

:P

Edit: and Stand Alone Complex disappointed me :D

Edited by yprbest

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The only reason Perfect Blue gets praise is because it is anime... Compared to a live-action film, it handled stalkers and issues of growing up with as much subtlety as Grange Hill, but with extra raping and violence because those things are apparently compulsory in anime.

I also couldn't believe how thick the main character was. Oh, and the 'what's going on' ending was tedious film-school stuff, the 'twist' was pathetically obvious, and the chase was just plain embarrasing.

Ok, perhaps it should be praised for not featuring big robots beating the crap out of each other, but compared to Akira, or anything by Ghibli it is shit.

The worst anime I have ever seen, though, is X. I was pissing myself laughing throughout it. Maybe I haven't seen that many bad anime films, though.

A good anime that hasn't been mentioned is Wings of Honneamise. The animation is stunning, and the plot is a nice alternate universe thing. It's also quite slowly-paced (not overly-dramatic) which makes a nice change.

I've seen two versions of this film: I think the more-cut one is actually better, because it loses a completely redundant and out-of-place rape scene.

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