Lost - The Full Series Thread

[CactuarBill]

What a twat. I wouldn't bitch at the guy on twitter, but if you've got a huge fanbase, don't respond to disappointed criticism by being a condescending prick. As if Lost is fucking Das Boot or something.

He's right though, people branding the word filler around are quite stupid. Just because it didn't have tons of mythology reveals then it must be filler. We got some good information in this. It was a character episode, reminded me very much of season one.

[squ1ffy]

Found that a very dull episode.

Reminded me of the poor series 3 episodes, where the losties are around the others who are doing very odd things, but no-one is asking 'what the fuck is going on!' or acting in any believable way. The dialogue on the island was very monosyllabic, and it all felt rather forced.

Hoping next week is a return to form.

[CGMF]

haha great

[Monkeyboy]

It was pretty dull.

[Goose]

Just reading through the recap of the episode on DarkUFO (which are well worth a read) - they noted that the whale toy in Claire's bag is the exact same whale that Kate buys him in the normal time line (when she herself is looking after Aaron).

The writer also speculates that the Man In Black can possess anyone providing they've died - and that Claire was actually killed/died when Keamy's team smashed up OtherVille way back in season four, but that she was nearly immediately possessed by the man in black (the writer mentions Miles was acting weird toward Claire, post-blast). Claire disappeared that same night, only turning up once more in Jacob's cabin, telling Locke that Aaron was where he needed to be.

More food for thought.

[hereticboy]

Was chatting with another Lost fan at work and he suggested that the 'alternate' timeline will eventually reflect what happened to each character on the island, tying into the theme of fate that's run through the show.

I'm sure the theory could be trashed but it could be quite interesting to see. For instance, Claire and Kate are together; maybe something happens to Claire that induces the birth of Aaron and leaves him with Kate? Locke goes to see Jack and is able to walk again?

This is looking nicer and nicer.

[Goose]

I'm thinking now, what event will bring everything back together? The show can't end with two sets of the same people in different universes so something must pull everyone back to the original time line. The alternate reality is like a reboot so not much has happened since the plane landed - we're what, about a day later now? But what happens if the show skips a chunk of time (i.e the next time we see Claire she's actually given birth to Aaron, thus showing a passing of time) - at some point in the alternate timeline we're going to reach the point at which, on the island, Desmond had turned the reset key. What if something similar occurs at the same time of that event, but in the alternate reality? And thus pulls everyone back together.

[Luke]

I'd like Farraday to turn up in the alternate time line, tracking the key characters down, having worked out something happened that caused the universe to fracture into two timelines to avoid a massive paradox, but also that it needed to be undone or both universes were doomed, and he'd use his consciousness teleportation machine to send their minds back in time to put it right.

Unfortunately, his mother must have been killed in the blast, before he was born, so he must be dead in both timelines. Unless she was somehow protected by being in that underground bit where they kept Jughead.

[Capwn]

Imagine if Farraday came back and messed with things again and created a third timeline.

[Festoon]

What a twat. I wouldn't bitch at the guy on twitter, but if you've got a huge fanbase, don't respond to disappointed criticism by being a condescending prick. As if Lost is fucking Das Boot or something.

Um, I don't think that's the real Damon Lindelof.

EDIT: Or maybe it is.

Anyhow, he has a point. I don't read books going - THIS IS A BORING CHAPTER FFS! Sometimes you have to set shit up.

[rubberducker]

lost seems more and more like the basis of its ideas are coming from the doc "what the bleep do we know?". mind altering stuff for those that haven't seen it.

[Goose]

I'd like Farraday to turn up in the alternate time line, tracking the key characters down, having worked out something happened that caused the universe to fracture into two timelines to avoid a massive paradox, but also that it needed to be undone or both universes were doomed, and he'd use his consciousness teleportation machine to send their minds back in time to put it right.

Unfortunately, his mother must have been killed in the blast, before he was born, so he must be dead in both timelines. Unless she was somehow protected by being in that underground bit where they kept Jughead.

No, I think she was amongst the others who were evacuated just before the incident took place, along with Charlotte and her mother, Chang's wife and Miles. I like the idea of the cat turning up, especially if he's some how conscious of both this time line and the one in which he died. Like him dying was ALL part of the grand plan of his.

[squirtle]

No, I think she was amongst the others who were evacuated just before the incident took place, along with Charlotte and her mother, Chang's wife and Miles. I like the idea of the cat turning up, especially if he's some how conscious of both this time line and the one in which he died. Like him dying was ALL part of the grand plan of his.

If Farraday was alive in the alternate universe and somehow in contact with himself in the other universe, it would go some way to explain why he was crying and so upset at the crash of Oceanic 815 on the TV.

Actually, the idea of things slipping between parallel universes might explain the pictures changing in that house when we were first introduced to Miles.

[oli]

I forget now, how many episodes are left?

[makkuwata]

No, I think she was amongst the others who were evacuated just before the incident took place, along with Charlotte and her mother, Chang's wife and Miles. I like the idea of the cat turning up, especially if he's some how conscious of both this time line and the one in which he died. Like him dying was ALL part of the grand plan of his.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but Faraday's mother was an Other. It was only the Dharma people evacuating?

[Pob]

We still don't know whether everyone left on the island when the Losties detonate the bomb were killed in the parallel timeline. Ethan survived, but then he would have been a prime candidate for evacuation, being a Dharma baby and all.

In fact, I wonder how Ethan ended up back on the island as an Other?

[oli]

We still don't know whether everyone left on the island when the Losties detonate the bomb were killed in the parallel timeline. Ethan survived, but then he would have been a prime candidate for evacuation, being a Dharma baby and all.

In fact, I wonder how Ethan ended up back on the island as an Other?

Isn't that presuming they were always evacuated?

[Luke]

No, I think she was amongst the others who were evacuated just before the incident took place, along with Charlotte and her mother, Chang's wife and Miles.

His mother was Eloise, an other, she was last seen being knocked unconscious by Richard in the underground place below the Dharma camp before Jack and Sayid fought their way through the Dharma camp to go and detonate the bomb.

[Luke]

Isn't that presuming they were always evacuated?

Well, it would be assuming the "Whatever happened, happened" rule still applied. With the (possible) exception of the explosion/incident fracturing the space time continuum in some way.

[Pob]

The evacuation happened before the detonation of the bomb i.e before the alternative timeline branched off (if that's indeed what we're watching).

Ethan being alive in the new timeline tends to suggests this. Of course, it's still entirely possible that the bomb didn't just sink the island instantly - any number of things could have happened between the bomb going off and Oceanic 815 flying overhead.

[Tom*]

We still don't know what happened on the island in 1977 after the bomb went off, do we? I mean everyone in the main timeline went on to be fine, apart from the time-corrected Losties as Richard saw them die. So whatever crazy shit went down in the alternate universe, all the Others including Richard, Eloise and Widmore should still be there and alive in present day, unless I missed something?

[makkuwata]

We still don't know what happened on the island in 1977 after the bomb went off, do we? I mean everyone in the main timeline went on to be fine, apart from the time-corrected Losties as Richard saw them die. So whatever crazy shit went down in the alternate universe, all the Others including Richard, Eloise and Widmore should still be there, unless I missed something?

Bizarro Others could be just fine...if radiation from the blast made them grow gills.

I reckon Richard-prime only said Jack and co died cause they disappeared forward through time, just as shit was going down,

[Luke]

We still don't know what happened on the island in 1977 after the bomb went off, do we? I mean everyone in the main timeline went on to be fine, apart from the time-corrected Losties as Richard saw them die. So whatever crazy shit went down in the alternate universe, all the Others including Richard, Eloise and Widmore should still be there and alive in present day, unless I missed something?

The island was under water in the alternate universe, did you miss that?

[Tom*]

The island was under water in the alternate universe, did you miss that?

Nah I saw that. I think I just wrote that post wrong and confused myself!

I just mean what is ??? in:

Main - bomb > ??? > everyone's still there

Bizarro - bomb > island sunk > evacuees fine and losties never even went there, but Others dead (or off-island somehow)

[Goose]

His mother was Eloise, an other, she was last seen being knocked unconscious by Richard in the underground place below the Dharma camp before Jack and Sayid fought their way through the Dharma camp to go and detonate the bomb.

Yes, Lostpedia has no further information on her after that instance - we know originally she got off the island at some point and was ultimately responsible for the Oceanic Six returning to the island. But, given she was banged on the head about 20 minutes before they detonated the bomb, well, who knows what that means for the alternate time line.

[hoot]

Filler, really? People want to go back to the earlier series to remind themselves of what a filler episode is like.

I really liked Sawyer's and Juliette as a couple, so I'm quite happy to see them take a bit of time to show how he's now coping (or not) without her. The scenes in the temple were good, I like how Jack basically forced their hand to in to revealing more than they wanted and it's good to see Claire (MiB) making a return.

There's still loads of episodes left to pull it all together and it's fair to assume we're not going to get everything answered. There's going to be a good few more episodes introducing new ideas and twists before we get to the point where everything is in place for the final stretch.

[dr_lha]

Agreed about this not being filler. The main issue with this episode was that it was Kate centric, and Kate just isn't interesting at all. All of the non-Kate centric stuff in this episode was great.

[Goose]

If Farraday was alive in the alternate universe and somehow in contact with himself in the other universe, it would go some way to explain why he was crying and so upset at the crash of Oceanic 815 on the TV.

Oh excellent, I'd forgotten all about that. That must come up!

[Sponge]

The evacuation happened before the detonation of the bomb i.e before the alternative timeline branched off (if that's indeed what we're watching).

Ethan being alive in the new timeline tends to suggests this. Of course, it's still entirely possible that the bomb didn't just sink the island instantly - any number of things could have happened between the bomb going off and Oceanic 815 flying overhead.

I said this before and I don't think anyone commented, but in the season opening we saw the Dharma shark swimming around the sunken island. Does this not suggest that the island sank AFTER the Dharma initiative built the Hydra (or whatever station it was where they did the aquatic experiments in and where Ben held Jack captive). Has there been any indication that that was all in place and being used before the bomb? I can't remember to honest.

[JohnC]

I really don't think the bomb sank the island. Is this a widespread theory? It just doesn't make much sense to me.