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Chaz

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Decent episodes and nice to have it back, but fuck me, this show is a headfuck. Some good theories on here though.

One thing I noticed - i''m CERTAIN that the clip in the first episode of S6, where theres a little music+slow motion scene where on the plane, Jack reaches up for his suitcase and turns to Locke and smiles at him, is lifted directly from the first series. Which we were assuming at the time were showing the events leading up to the crash (characters bumping into each other on the plane etc), not after the crash would have happened (because in the first season 6 episode, this scene happens when they're about to get off the plane, and everyone else has already left).

I don't know, without watching the early episodes I can't possibly be 100% sure. Maybe it was just a nice reference/juxtaposition of the similar encounter happening in the alternate reality when they got on the doomed plane in S01.

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locke_211

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One thing I would like clarifying: whenever Ben went to "Jacob's cabin", he was mistaken, right? He was thinking he was seeing Jacob, when in actual fact he was seeing the man in the black who was manipulating him, to get him to the point where he killed Jacob. Because Season Five makes it out that Jacob has always lived in the statue. Plus we see Jack's dad in the cabin, who seems to be the man in the black in disguise, like he does with Locke.

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Pob

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One thing I would like clarifying: whenever Ben went to "Jacob's cabin", he was mistaken, right? He was thinking he was seeing Jacob, when in actual fact he was seeing the man in the black who was manipulating him, to get him to the point where he killed Jacob. Because Season Five makes it out that Jacob has always lived in the statue. Plus we see Jack's dad in the cabin, who seems to be the man in the black in disguise, like he does with Locke.

Yeah all appearances of "Jacob" up until the season 6 finale have been smokey posing as him I think. Jacob's bodyguards find a gap in the black ash around Jacob's hut, which we now means is a gap in the defences through which Smokey could have got in. Then they say "somebody else has been using it" and burn the hut down.

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locke_211

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Yeah all appearances of "Jacob" up until the season 6 finale have been smokey posing as him I think. Jacob's bodyguards find a gap in the black ash around Jacob's hut, which we now means is a gap in the defences through which Smokey could have got in. Then they say "somebody else has been using it" and burn the hut down.

That's kind of what I figured, but when they first go to the cabin, late season 3, I think from lostpedia the ash circle is still intact - so that implies that at that point, in Ben's first shown visit, it either was Jacob there, or that the ash was designed to keep the smoke monster IN.

Clearly in the season 4 visit, when Jack's dad is there, that definitely is the smoke monster / Jacob's enemy.

I love that when Ben thought he was summoning the smoke monster to help him, he was actually just letting it manipulate him and think he was in control.

My new favourite plot point to work out is 'why was he trapped on the island?' and 'where is home?' :)

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locke_211

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Surely it's obvious where home is? It's the temple. Right? That's why they're stopping him from getting back in!

Oh right!

I assumed that was kind of a stopping off point to get revenge on all the horrible types who'd been messing with him, not home. But it would make sense!

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Pob

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I'm wondering if the EM discharge on the Swan site is able to punt people nearby into experiencing a parallel timeline. Maybe "the island" detects what's on their mind at the point of the discharge and enables them to experience what could have happened. In the case of the Losties, they're all focusing on landing safely in LA.

When it happened to Desmond at the start of season 3, he's focusing on Penny (he says "I love you Penny" just before he turns the failsafe key), probably wishing he'd just popped the question instead of doing some stupid boat race. Hence, Desmond gets shown a parellel timeline in which he proposes to Penny. Except...he still doesn't take the opportunity to propose because he's a coward, and Eloise Hawking talks him out of it.

We've clearly seen that what Desmond experiences during his conciousness shifts is NOT what actually happened (coming back to the Charlie busking in Covent Garden scene again here, which might turn out to be the most important scene in the show as far as time travel is concerned :)). He also experiences conciousness shifts into the future, showing a future which doesn't come to pass (e.g Charlie being impaled in the jungle).

So my guess is that the Losties will start to experience an "It's a Wonderful Life" scenario, except that their conciousnesses in the "real" timeline start to bleed into the "what if?" timeline. What happens then is anybody's guess. Can the "what if?" timeline become the real timeline? Is it just there to make them realise that their island life is what is meant to be?

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Mr Cochese

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Seeing as Sayid was ex Republican Guard and then living in America (and a terrorist suspect - or whatever, can't exactly remember all the details) it isn't inconceivable that he would have a fake passport.

He must have figured that being Iraqi would draw too much attention, so he chose a more innocuous country that the Americans are not really bothered about. Also, with his bushy eyebrows, big nose and pale skin he could easily pass for a Persian.

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Anne Summers

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Surely it's obvious where home is? It's the temple. Right? That's why they're stopping him from getting back in!

I think he meant off island. The threat of something like Smokey running loose around the world is pretty scary, and would be a good dramatic threat for the climax of a show like Lost - if he just wants to go back to the temple then... let him.

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Pob

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Does anyone else suspect

that Sayid might have returned to life as the alternative reality Sayid, and that this is the start of the new reality bleeding through into the old?

Maybe.

That would tally with Juliet seemingly being aware of the parallel timeline at the point of death. Nice one!

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Here's a thought: What if Smokey/MIB is the good guy in all this... What if Jacob and his crew usurped him out of his home (the temple) where he was happily existing until they turned up... Everything he has done looks evil but he has to resort to these measures to get back into his home where he was wrongfully ousted from many moons ago...

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Here's a thought: What if Smokey/MIB is the good guy in all this... What if Jacob and his crew usurped him out of his home (the temple) where he was happily existing until they turned up... Everything he has done looks evil but he has to resort to these measures to get back into his home where he was wrongfully ousted from many moons ago...

Ooooh like it! As much as evil Locke is awesome I always hoped he would redeem himself somehow on the island.

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hoot

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b-l-i-m-e-y

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I'm hoping we see an Alpert episode soon, it's surely on the cards given that Smokey picked him up at the end.

Has anyone mentioned Sol Star of DEADWOOD fame playing the hippie guy with specs yet?

I feel like I need to watch them two episodes another few times, but even then I still wouldn't have a clue what's going on. I did enjoy seeing all the old faces, although I'm not happy about Juliette. It took ages for her character to grow on me and then when she finally came good AND made a man of Sawyer, they kill her off. :(;)

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locke_211

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b-l-i-m-e-y

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I'm hoping we see an Alpert episode soon, it's surely on the cards given that Smokey picked him up at the end.

Has anyone mentioned Sol Star of DEADWOOD fame playing the hippie guy with specs yet?

I feel like I need to watch them two episodes another few times, but even then I still wouldn't have a clue what's going on. I did enjoy seeing all the old faces, although I'm not happy about Juliette. It took ages for her character to grow on me and then when she finally came good AND made a man of Sawyer, they kill her off. :(;)

Knew I'd seen that guy from something before!

I'd imagine Richard's backstory will come soon. Smokey saying how he'd got out of some chains since they'd last seen each other implies that Richard might have been one of the slaves on the Black Rock?

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