Lost - The Full Series Thread

[Twyford]

Now this may be batshit mental but the way I see it is that Locke is now Jacob/Smokey, Jacks Dad was a placeholder while waiting for Locke to die, he just couldn't die on the Island, and Locke knows this the moment he is "resurrected".

Jacob is the Island and manifests itself in human form by taking hold of the spirit/body of a host and the old (current) spirit/body has to be destroyed by fire (this would explain some of the symbols on the Hieroglyphics). Locke knew this when he went to find Jacob in his hideout, his time was up and had to be killed/destroyed which is why he is so intent on having Jacob killed. It would also explain Lockes disappearance just as Smokey visited Ben.

Now it's Lockes turn to be Jacob/Smokey.

[Sir DangerM]

Has it ever been shown whats in the guitar case Hurley got off Jacob?

[ElNino]

When Sun & Locke arrived back on the main island and Christian was in one of the Dharma houses, Can anyone recall if Sun saw Christian and Locke together?

[The Grand Pursuivant]

Has it ever been shown whats in the guitar case Hurley got off Jacob?

I assumed it was Charlie's guitar.

[angel]

Has it ever been shown whats in the guitar case Hurley got off Jacob?

another locke body

[Sir DangerM]

I assumed it was Charlie's guitar.

I think thats just what they want you to think...

When Sun & Locke arrived back on the main island and Christian was in one of the Dharma houses, Can anyone recall if Sun saw Christian and Locke together?

Wasn't Locke standing outside, all mysteriously?

[roskelld]

I wonder what happened to Cindy, Zach and Emma... Last we heard was that they joined The Others, but they didn't seem to be part of the group following Locke.

I wonder if the kids have suffered the same issue as Walt (They grew up quicker than the show desired).

[holly]

Wasn't Locke standing outside, all mysteriously?

I might be remembering this completely wrong, but didn't Sun and Frank go there earlier (Sun having whacked Ben on the head and taken the boat), and find Christian, and then Locke and Ben turned up later (having taken a different boat), and Locke made Ben go into the house on his own, only to find Sun in Alex's bedroom? Locke wasn't there at the same time as Christian at all.

[mercenarri]

Ilyana is a very interesting character. She essentially came to the Island with the rest of the team, while bringing Sayid back with her, for a reason yet to be known. I think the time-line goes something like:

1. Jacob visits Ilyana asking for her help.

2. We find out there's a bunch of characters on that plane who know the answer to the question.

3. Ilyana brings Sayid back to the Island.

4. Team Ajira discover the crate with Locke's body inside it.

5. Team Ajira take the crate to show Richard that Locke is a phoney.

We can assume the whole Ajira team didn't come back just to bring Sayid with them. I think Jacob knew about his adversary's long term plan, and I think he's already intercepted the consequences of it, which is why he so easily succumbs to Ben's knifing. He's gathered a team ready for what is to come following his death, and this team is what will overcome his adversary.

One thing bugging me though, between point 4 and 5 above, Ilyana was actually speaking with Evil Locke post crash. If she knew that wasn't the real Locke, why didn't she have her team kill Locke immediately before he could get to Jacob?

[Popo]

I forgot Sayid was on the plane with that bint. Maybe when Jacob asked her for help he meant haul Sayid back to the island?

Also, has anyone pointed out that even though Jacob is dead in the present, he's 'still alive' in the past?

[Pob]

One thing bugging me though, between point 4 and 5 above, Ilyana was actually speaking with Evil Locke post crash. If she knew that wasn't the real Locke, why didn't she have her team kill Locke immediately before he could get to Jacob?

Perhaps she didn't want to let on in front of Evil Locke, in case he fucked her up somehow. Would it be that easy to kill Evil Locke? He'd probably just turn into smoke and tear the place up.

[Goose]

I would also assume that some time passed between Jacob visiting Ilyana for help and her actually moving forward with this help because in that hospital she seemed pretty fucked up to me. Unless Jacob healed her?

Crazy theory - What if Jacob travelled back in time to alter Sawyer, Kate & Jack so that they would become the people Jacob needs them to be - which perhaps they will become when they jump forward in time. We assume we were seeing events that had always taken place, Jacob visiting these people at those key moments, but what if he travelled back to do, so as to alter things when they return to the future? I don't know why but to me it felt like he was altering the past - even though we know that at the current state of play all the characters went on to become the people they did. Even Sawyer used the line that his uncle said to him when talking to Jack.

Hmm, this sounds daft.

I also assume that it was Jacob's idea to get Sayid back on the plane by using Ilyana? There's no way Sayid would return to the island otherwise. Initially I had assumed that Ben hired her and cooked up the bullshit story.

Do the others assume that Smokey and Jacob are the same person/on the same side? They both had indirect access to them. Suerly if you were following one and the were enemies you'd choose your side.

Does anyone feel too that we're now done with Dharma save for a few lose ends?

[Distinct muttering]

'Some' timeline issues, meaning he was killed and kicked into the flames long after the scene you're talking about where 'Jacob' showed up, so wouldn't be burned yet, never mind not dead?

Time travelling ghost, innit?

[BlinkyBear]

I would also assume that some time passed between Jacob visiting Ilyana for help and her actually moving forward with this help because in that hospital she seemed pretty fucked up to me. Unless Jacob healed her?

Crazy theory - What if Jacob travelled back in time to alter Sawyer, Kate & Jack so that they would become the people Jacob needs them to be - which perhaps they will become when they jump forward in time. We assume we were seeing events that had always taken place, Jacob visiting these people at those key moments, but what if he travelled back to do, so as to alter things when they return to the future? I don't know why but to me it felt like he was altering the past - even though we know that at the current state of play all the characters went on to become the people they did. Even Sawyer used the line that his uncle said to him when talking to Jack.

Hmm, this sounds daft.

I also assume that it was Jacob's idea to get Sayid back on the plane by using Ilyana? There's no way Sayid would return to the island otherwise. Initially I had assumed that Ben hired her and cooked up the bullshit story.

Do the others assume that Smokey and Jacob are the same person/on the same side? They both had indirect access to them. Suerly if you were following one and the were enemies you'd choose your side.

Does anyone feel too that we're now done with Dharma save for a few lose ends?

You might not be barking up the same tree as me, and I should point out that this season has confused the chuff out of me, but I think I agree when I ask why are we assuming we are seeing the Losties (Oceanic 6?) meet Jacob before the events we see on screen, ie the events caused by the initial crash?

That is to say, I got the impression that he was meeting them 'after' they'd gone back in time following the incident to 'make' them different when they invariably crash landed landed on the island again.

Although as ever, Hurley is the odd one out in this theory.

And also, why did everyone assume that Jack/Christian/Locke/Hurley et al were Jacob? I haven't posted in here throughout the season but every time I read that idea it struck me as making no sense at all. Jacob has clearly been 'in charge' of the island all along and has been explicitly mentioned as so for a couple of seasons now, so how anyone who hasn't been to the island before 'being' Jacob makes no odds at all.

In other news, I like the suggestion that Juliette was indeed pregnant and her being to blame or in 'position' for the supposed incident means that she is the reason for child birth problems on the island. Especially as she was recruited to do so and therefore never truly solve the problem as it was her fault. Or something.

Plus she does have great tits.

[Tom*]

And also, why did everyone assume that Jack/Christian/Locke/Hurley et al were Jacob? I haven't posted in here throughout the season but every time I read that idea it struck me as making no sense at all. Jacob has clearly been 'in charge' of the island all along and has been explicitly mentioned as so for a couple of seasons now, so how anyone who hasn't been to the island before 'being' Jacob makes no odds at all.

Do you mean Jacob was posing as those guys on the island? Or people think he IS characters off-island?

In light of the last episode it kinda seems like what Richard (and Ben before) said about dead people never coming back to life is the truth - if Smokey was posing as Locke once he'd died and his body made it to the island, he could have been posing as Alex, Christian, Ecko's brother, Horace, that horse and everyone else who's died and reappeared all along. So when Locke turns up alive Richard knows it's a bit fishy and is all "errr.....ok", but still goes along with it.

Also maybe I'm thinking too simplistic but I thought "They're coming" referred to the mob waiting outside, who just found out alive-Locke is a fake and will probably come in and kill him.

[Goose]

I think Smokey is playing the long game. Everything that has gone on, especially with Locke, is all related to getting Ben into that temple and convincing him to kill Jacob. Even the Dharma stuff could be related to it, the swan needing to be built, the plane crashing, all to get Locke there so Smokey could use him.

Damn that's some planning...

[Anne Summers]

One thing bugging me though, between point 4 and 5 above, Ilyana was actually speaking with Evil Locke post crash. If she knew that wasn't the real Locke, why didn't she have her team kill Locke immediately before he could get to Jacob?

I think maybe they didn't find the corpse immediately. I haven't checked this at all, but from my memory, the first scene I saw them in with the chest, was just as Lapidus got back to their camp, and they asked him "what lies in the shadow of the statue?". The impression I got was that the chest was something they had discovered after Locke and Sun etc disappeared, hence they knew the Locke who they had just met on the plane, and who had just disappeared on one of the boats, was not the real Locke?

One thing I haven't seen a convincing theory for, or been able to think of anything likely for, is the fact that the numbers on the Swan countdown went into hieroglyphics after the countdown ended. This is particularly odd, if it's true that the Others don't know anything about the Swan until 2004. Why would Dharma build it like that?

I don't really hold up much hope for that one to be answered though.

[Mercury]

One thing I haven't seen a convincing theory for, or been able to think of anything likely for, is the fact that the numbers on the Swan countdown went into hieroglyphics after the countdown ended. This is particularly odd, if it's true that the Others don't know anything about the Swan until 2004. Why would Dharma build it like that?

I don't really hold up much hope for that one to be answered though.

I think it just looked pretty cool.

[Mercury]

I think Smokey is playing the long game. Everything that has gone on, especially with Locke, is all related to getting Ben into that temple and convincing him to kill Jacob. Even the Dharma stuff could be related to it, the swan needing to be built, the plane crashing, all to get Locke there so Smokey could use him.

Damn that's some planning...

That seemed to be what Locke was hinting at when he said "if you knew what I'd been through". I think whatever happens in S6, Lost has been one hell of a ride. If someone had told me after the first episode that we'd have Jack working as a Janitor in the 1970's.......

[GwiDan]

Wasn't there some mind control/brainwashing shown a while ago? Has that ever been explained?

[dr_lha]

Just watched the final episode for a 2nd time, and there's a definitely a bomb noise at the end of the show, not a "musical crescendo". Not only that but they repeated the noise in the Season 6 teaser after the white-out Lost logo.

[Mercury]

Wasn't there some mind control/brainwashing shown a while ago? Has that ever been explained?

Yep, S3 around the time Jack and co were being held in cages. I think it was Alex's boyfriend and it was all a bit Clockwork Orange. Something I very much doubt they are going to revisit.

[zxcvbnm]

I've finally figured out the big secret to Lost.....Sesame Street and the letter J.

John Locke

Jacob

Jack

Jin

James "Sawyer" Ford

Juliet

Benjamin Linus

Sayid Jarrah

All created by J. J. Abrams

Mark my words - the final episode will have big bird walk on saying "today's show was brought to you by the number 815 and the letter J"

[Rudi von Starnberg]

Surely "by the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42"?

[Daley]

I've finally figured out the big secret to Lost.....Sesame Street and the letter J.

Says jeebus!

Some thoughts:

Is there any significance to the fact that Juliet was the one to set off the bomb? If it was one of the Losties that did then surely that would have created a paradox (assuming Faraday was right and the bomb eventually cancels the plane crash). If say Jack set off the bomb then the plane would never crash, then he wouldn't have been there to set off the bomb so they would have crashed. Juliet had been on the island all along. Although i'm sure this contradicts something else which I have forgotten. Or Miles was right and they caused it.

If "Locke" (the one at the end) was the dude from the start of the episode (Esau or whatever we are calling him) how come he didn't know where Jacob was since he was chilling with him at the start of the episode watching the Black Rock and eating sushi?

So "Locke" is "Christian" which would make sense since it was him who first told the real Locke that he must die. He is also all the other dead sightings? Is this definitely Smokey? Or is Smokey like a tool or seperate being since Ben can summon it?

Lost has been amazing and I will be sad to see it end.

[dunkle]

If "Locke" (the one at the end) was the dude from the start of the episode (Esau or whatever we are calling him) how come he didn't know where Jacob was since he was chilling with him at the start of the episode watching the Black Rock and eating sushi?

I guess, if he just grabbed Ben and whipped him off to see Jacob, Ben may have been slightly confused as to how he knew where to find Jacob and therefore not believe Locke's instructions to kill Jacob. Or something. Think it's definitely all part of the subtrefuge of getting people to believe he's still the 'real' Locke, perhaps because he also needs the Others to be there for what's coming next - they would be unlikely to have travelled en masse if Richard hadn't been on board either...

[roskelld]

Two players

Two sides

One is light

One is Dark -- John Locke (S01E02)

[Mercury]

Two players

Two sides

One is light

One is Dark -- John Locke (S01E02)

I am looking forward to watching them all again once it has finished.

[Daley]

Just watching this. Worth a watch if anyone hasn't seen it and has a spare 20 minutes.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/j_j_abr...ystery_box.html

No spoilers just an interesting talk by J.J. Abrahms.

[oli]

My girlfriend has decided she now wants to start watching Lost after catching the end of season 5 with me on Sundays, so we're going to start watching all from the beginning in time for the start of next season. I'm actually looking forward to watching from the start to see if there's anything I missed or that ties in nicely with recent episodes