Lost - The Full Series Thread

[mercenarri]

What a season. I loved the finale and I thought it ended perfectly.

Hurley looks like a decent candidate to replace Jacob if he is dead/gone, remember the episode where Charlie saw visions of Hurley coming out of the jungle dressed as a holy person? That could have been a very, very long foreshadowing.

The Rose and Bernard statement about being together no matter what happens was a very touching moment. I had a lump in my throat, as well as the Sawyer/Juliet fatality. Alright, I was balling at that.

The character of Jacob surely cannot be dead this soon after introducing him. It took one episode for me to love a character after his introduction, that's quite amazing. I think we'll be seeing more of him, somehow, in the final season.

Smokey versus Jacob and their game of god-chess isn't the be all of end all of this show, surely. I think Jacob was simply protecting something, or guarding something, and Smokey went to such great lengths to allow this something to finally happen ("they're coming"), which we'll find out next time.

I have absolutely no idea what we're in for next season, but I know it'll be something magical. The new gods have made the Widmores and the Eloises look like mere nobodies by the turn of a single episode, incredible.

[joeplus]

The new gods have made the Widmores and the Eloises look like mere nobodies by the turn of a single episode, incredible.

Incredible yes, but also a bit frustrating. It would have been good to know what the actual deal is with Widmore, Ben, Eloise, their "rules" etc, before we went another step up the ladder.

I've a related longer moan here in fact, not about the finale or the show itself but rather the timescale of it all. I'm pretty bummed about the fact that this has to wrap up in one more season. I just feel like it needs two more. S4 was the first time that the cards were laid on the timetable: YES, there is time travel, and ghosts, and shit like that - and even that wasn't really explained until the end. Obviously it's been good that there's an end date, but maybe if S4-6 were 24 episodes long there would have been a bit of time to breathe and answer some more questions properly. No-one likes filler episodes, but it's been haring along at such a breakneck pace that you feel so much is going to have to be left vague just to get to the end of the story.

Still, the finale was awesome, and the wait is going to kill me. Anyone got any recommendations to keep me sane? I'm enjoying Generation Kill and I plan on checking out Mad Men. I gave up on Heroes, though. Shit is retarded.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

Check out Breaking Bad. Best show on TV at the moment.

[son_of_helvetica]

What a cliffhanger

[Fireproofradiator]

Still, the finale was awesome, and the wait is going to kill me. Anyone got any recommendations to keep me sane? I'm enjoying Generation Kill and I plan on checking out Mad Men. I gave up on Heroes, though. Shit is retarded.

The Lost Room.

I really can't wait to see how the Hurley stuff plays out. I'm hoping him and Miles wind up having 'differences', and that Chang is at the centre of them. The more I think about it the more I'm less bothered about the fact Locke's basically gone cos these are the characters that are the real heart of the show and the ones I'm rooting for to shake up fancy pants like Jacob and Essau.

[Mercury]

I just watched it and at the end just linked Jacob's "their coming" with the bomb going off and assumed S6 will start with Jack and co being propelled through time to join Sun etc. Then I come on here......

The 70's Dharma stuff has been great but I think it was just used as a mechanism to show us some of the history from the island. I reckon we'll find that whatever happened happened and we'll now be focused on Jacob, smokey etc. The only problem now is that I have less interest in the Ben/Widmore feud - kinda seems a bit trivial now.

[joeplus]

Check out Breaking Bad. Best show on TV at the moment.

I've heard a lot of good about this, so why not. It's on the download.

(edited: NVM i made a thread about it )

[BlinkyBear]

"Season six will consist of seventeen episodes"

Well, that won't work.

[squ1ffy]

What an awesome finale

Radzinsky really reminds me of Chuck Close

[Mercury]

How do they build the Swan without the incident happening again? We always assumed that the incident was caused when they drilled into a pocket of energy, but we also know this builds up after 108 minutes to danger level again. How do they contain it long enough to build the hatch etc?

Maybe the bomb has done something to give them more time? I do hope we see a little more of Dharma time.

It was interesting at the beginning when we saw what I assume was the Black Rock and Jacob says "you brought them here" as if this cycle of bringing people to the island in order to kill Jacob had been going on for some time.

[roskelld]

One thing I'm really excited about is the opener to the next season. I love the Lost openers, I just wonder what messed up thing they're gonna show up.

Usually it's a case of we're all expecting to see the explosion or aftermath of the bomb, so it'll be some (apparent) random person chilling out somewhere in total piece and tranquillity. So we're all instantly sat there thinking, who is this person, what time is this, Future? past? why have they decided to put THAT record on? What's the book they've been reading?

We're completely in the writers grip. They could show a 10 minute shot of a monkey flinging shit and we'd sit here trying to decipher it. So fucking cool.

[toonfool]

It was interesting at the beginning when we saw what I assume was the Black Rock and Jacob says "you brought them here" as if this cycle of bringing people to the island in order to kill Jacob had been going on for some time.

Jacob brought them.

[James Lyon]

One thing I'm really excited about is the opener to the next season. I love the Lost openers, I just wonder what messed up thing they're gonna show up.

My money's on the first scene being everybody on the plane (with a conveniently hidden Walt). We all think things have changed, then, I don't know, Jacob turns out to be the pilot.

Actually, that'll probably be the last scene of the show, come to think of it.

[zxcvbnm]

The next series will just consist of the past 5 seasons all played speeded up in reverse.

[squ1ffy]

So it seems that Jacob and Smokey have a bet going - Jacob brings people to the island, Smokey saying it always ends in death and corruption and Jacob saying it won't.

I couldn't help thinking this was like Trading Places where it turns out the whole film happened because of a bet between two grumpy old men. Imagine if the final scene - after nukes, death, love won and lost, was Smokey saying 'Ok you won' and giving Jacob a dollar!

There are so many questions in my head at the moment:

- Why the button pressing with the number? Why couldn't this be automated?

- What the hell was the fail safe? What did it do?

- Who built the donkey wheel and why?

- What's the significance of Jacobs touching? Did he do that to all the Losties?

- Who is 'coming'? I'm thinking he's referring to the 70s Darma losties.

[Sir DangerM]

Decent episode, but i can't even begin to try and explain everything thats still left unanswered. Looking forward to next season though, and it finally all finishing.

It seems pretty obvious thats its going to end where it all began though, which I really don't want it to. It just seems lazy to me, and too predictable.

Whats the deal with Jacob touching people in flashbacks? It can't have anything to do with 'the list' because we've already been told that jack, kate, locke, and sayid aren't on it. Do the people he touches just end up on the island? Why did he touch some people when they were young, some right before they went to the island in the first place, and some after they'd left the island?

[Cosmic_Guru]

I'm a bit confused about all this business re Smokie and Locke to be honest. Ben killed Locke and was heard to say "Dead is dead". Hence Ben must know "Locke" is not all he seems. Why the hell then should he not refer to this, let alone do everything "Locke" asks at the behest of a ghost. Ben always seemed to have the power to summon smokie from his Dharma house (although there was a quip wasn't there some time ago about something coming out of the bushes which he could not control and turned out to be Locke not the monster) Why did Smokie need Locke to die rather than any of the other Losties before it could attempt this audacious assassination attempt? Because Locke qualifies as a leader in some way? How so?

And why are the new group lugging around the Locke Corpse?

Also, why was Richard happily running around in both the seventies and present day?

I must have "lost" my way at some point this season.

[Mercury]

Also, why was Richard happily running around in both the seventies and present day?

Because he is on the island the whole time. The 70's crew (Jack etc) are interacting with 1970's Richard and Locke etc are with 2000's Richard.

Last night's episodes were great - highlights for me:

- Miles asking the obvious question about whether the bomb causes the incident and everyone ignoring him.

- Jack and Sawyer finally getting rid of their frustration on each other.

- The Sawyer and Juliet stuff. I don't care what people say, I really enjoyed those scenes and it made me care more about a previously unsympathetic character.

- Rose and Bernhard (and the dog obviously). I wonder if that is the last we'll see of those characters.

- Seeing Chang lose his arm.

- Ben coming clean regarding Jacob.

- The little Ben and Sun exchange regarding the statue.

- Realising that Dead is Dead - whilst Locke is a great character, I didn't really like the idea of him being resurrected.

I did realise that I don't really care whether Sayid lives or dies. I think they have done about as much with that character as they can.

[Deeptone]

Watched it last night, fantastic stuff. Damn annoyed we've got to wait nine months or so now. I'll try and answer some of the questions above, although I've probably got it hopelessly wrong.

Whats the deal with Jacob touching people in flashbacks? It can't have anything to do with 'the list' because we've already been told that jack, kate, locke, and sayid aren't on it. Do the people he touches just end up on the island? Why did he touch some people when they were young, some right before they went to the island in the first place, and some after they'd left the island?

This just seemed to me that Jacob was ensuring those that are critical to the upcoming 'war' that's been mentioned will make it to the island. The only one he saw after they had left the island was Hurley, who was given a choice. Can't remember if he actually touched him. Best guess is that those characters are critical to Jacob's plan to defeat smokey/whoever, and touching them somehow ensures their destiney.

I simply read the 'They're coming' line as Jack, Kate, etc being flung into their correct time frame because of the incident,

I'm a bit confused about all this business re Smokie and Locke to be honest. Ben killed Locke and was heard to say "Dead is dead". Hence Ben must know "Locke" is not all he seems. Why the hell then should he not refer to this, let alone do everything "Locke" asks at the behest of a ghost.

Both Ben and Richard have mentioned that Locke now seems different, but when Ben was judged by smokey his (dead) daughter appeared and told him if he didn't follow Locke, Ben would be destroyed. So on a most basic level, Ben is just protecting himself. He's not in a position to question Locke.

Ben always seemed to have the power to summon smokie from his Dharma house (although there was a quip wasn't there some time ago about something coming out of the bushes which he could not control and turned out to be Locke not the monster)

Ben could summon the monster, but he could not control it. He said as much in the episode when the commando's stormed the old Dhama village. In fact, last night we saw Richard smash through from the ancient tunnels into one of the Dharma houses. We can assume that this is the house that Ben eventually takes and is how he can find the monster so easily.

Why did Smokie need Locke to die rather than any of the other Losties before it could attempt this audacious assassination attempt? Because Locke qualifies as a leader in some way? How so?

It's a self fulfilling prophecy, really. Richard doesn't seem to think Locke is special as a child, but the fact that he keeps popping up through time and telling Richard that he's going to be their leader in the future ultimately convinces him that he must is special and capable of being their leader. Having established that Locke is going to be the leader, smokie then needs him to die so it can assume his form (we assume smokie/whoever can do this as we've seen many other dead characters reappear on and off the island), and manipulate Ben, Richard, etc into meeting and killing Jacob for him. It was the 'smokie Locke' that got Richard to tell normal Locke that to bring everyone back to the island, he must die. Make sense?

And why are the new group lugging around the Locke Corpse?

To show Richard and /or Jacob. We now assume they are working for Jacob (he met the woman when she was in hospital, heavily bandaged, and asked for her help) and bought the body to prove that the walking, talking Locke is not who/what he says he is, and poses a considerable threat to Jacob. a bit too late though, it would seem.

One other quick thought, if Juliette is stuck in a time loop every 108 minutes, is it conceivable that if she is pregnant that may be why women can't give birth after the incident (ie, she is perpetually pregnant and can not give birth which somehow affects the island)? I dunno, that's kind of badly thought out and doesn't make a lot of sense really, but it just occurred to me.

[Distinct muttering]

Just reading over this after seeing the finale and noticed that last pic of Jacob looks like he has burns, which is a nice bit of continuity from the finale. What episode is that last capture from?

EDIT: it wont let me quote the post for some reason, the pics are here http://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?s=&am...t&p=6067202

[Sir DangerM]

Doesn't really look like burns to me. And why would he have burns anyway?

[Rudi von Starnberg]

That 'Jacob' almost certainly isn't Jacob. It's 'Esau' or whoever his enemy is, using the cabin and pretending to be Jacob.

[Cosmic_Guru]

Deeptone - thanks for the replies - you really have to pay attention with this show. Actually having supernatural knowledge is the only way "Locke" could have known exactly when Locke would be injured and have the circular message (which actually isnt circular) given to him. Wow.

[Goose]

This just seemed to me that Jacob was ensuring those that are critical to the upcoming 'war' that's been mentioned will make it to the island. The only one he saw after they had left the island was Hurley, who was given a choice. Can't remember if he actually touched him. Best guess is that those characters are critical to Jacob's plan to defeat smokey/whoever, and touching them somehow ensures their destiney.

No, he also saw Sayid after he'd gotten off the island because he was with Nadia who he got together with upon returning to civilization.

The one thing about Hurley and his 'innocence' in all this - didn't he kill some (one?) of the others while he was driving that van to save Sayid and Sawyer when the others attacked the beach?

There's a very small preview of Season 6 out and about, which might give a clue to how the new season starts. It's a load of text basically, telling us that 2010, the final season is coming, followed by what must be a one or two second shot, if that. You'll know who it is though.

What I don't know is whether it's genuine or not.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

The one-second shot is reused footage. It's the exact same shot shot as

opened S1, right down the imperfections in his eyelashes

.

[Distinct muttering]

Doesn't really look like burns to me. And why would he have burns anyway?

Looks like burns to me. Obviously there is some timeline issues, but "Locke" does kick him over into the fire at the end of the Finale.

[Pob]

Looks like burns to me. Obviously there is some timeline issues, but "Locke" does kick him over into the fire at the end of the Finale.

I really don't think that's Jacob in the cabin.

1. it looks totally different to the fresh-faced blonde chap we saw in the finale, who has looked like that for hundreds of years

2. Ilana says that someone else has been using the cabin, and that Jacob isn't there.

3. the thing in the cabin was fucking freaky and we've now seen that Jacob is an all-round good egg.

It was probably all part of Smokey's manipulation of Locke.

A question harking back to ages ago - did we see Smokey trying to kill Locke a while back, and failing? I remember him being dragged through the jungle by a smokey tentacle, but surviving. Perhaps this was the bad dude's attempts to kill and impersonate Locke, but he found that he couldn't. Hence the whole charade of convincing Locke to let himself die.

[Sir DangerM]

Looks like burns to me. Obviously there is some timeline issues, but "Locke" does kick him over into the fire at the end of the Finale.

'Some' timeline issues, meaning he was killed and kicked into the flames long after the scene you're talking about where 'Jacob' showed up, so wouldn't be burned yet, never mind not dead?

[oli]

A question harking back to ages ago - did we see Smokey trying to kill Locke a while back, and failing? I remember him being dragged through the jungle by a smokey tentacle, but surviving. Perhaps this was the bad dude's attempts to kill and impersonate Locke, but he found that he couldn't. Hence the whole charade of convincing Locke to let himself die.

Yeah, Kate (or someone) dropped dynamite down the hole it was pulling Locke down.

I'm not convinced that Jacob is necessarily the good guy in all this anyway, it's being set up to seem that way to us but Lost tends to do this - they will set someone up as the righteous cause and then flip it down the line

[Deeptone]

No, he also saw Sayid after he'd gotten off the island because he was with Nadia who he got together with upon returning to civilization.

Ahh, yes, you're quite right. Sorry about that. Haven't had a chance to have my second viewing, with my wife in tow, yet.

It's probably fair to say that Jacob would seem to appear at crucial turning points in all the characters lives and affects them some way, except Hurley who is given a choice. How free that choice is is debatable, though.

I was just thinking that Jacob's actions push people into the characters they are today. Most overtly with James becoming Sawyer, but also Kate gets no punishment for her crime but is rather rewarded by Jacob for her actions. It seems almost as if Jacob needs them all to be a certain way.

Damn, I Lost